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Ah then, the Russell Ward I had also considered would make sense, if his mother was in hospital and he was being temporarily fostered, so I think that is the better choice probably.

I wonder whether his mother might even have been in hospital after the birth of a second child??

Except I can't find that record in 1901 at Ancestry ...

So sorry Bruce!
Hilda records on the 1911 census 3 living children but only names two i.e.
Edgar Russell and Llewellyn Davies.
In 1901 the only one I can find for Hilda is listed as a patient in Birmingham General Hospital, Steelhouse Lane as her occupation is a dressmaker.
There is a Russell Ward staying as a boarder with a John and Caroline Gibbs in Kings Norton which is near Birmingham.
Or Russell / Edgar could be the one you suggested living in Lydd with his brother Leslie which could account for the unnamed child in the 1911 census.Maybe he is the Leslie Frank Ward born in Hackney in 1895. This might tie in with the Frank Nash, my dad's father who may have been leading a double life! I suspect he was married to someone else at the time.
Thanks again
Stella

Stella please please don't reply by PM. I had sent you the information about the child of Edgar and Alice by PM because he may be a living person, but you put his name in the thead anyway. You sent this now by PM and I don't think it's sensitive so I will put it here:

according to the 1911 census Hilda Ward had another child unnamed so there is a possibiltiy this could be it.

Was that about the 1901 info I put in the thread and then deleted because it looked probably wrong? It was this:

Name: Edgar Ward
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Lydd
County/Island: Kent

Clifford Hoiseth 36
Kate Hoiseth 35
Elizabeth George 70
Frederick Hambrook 19
Rowland Bradbury 14
Leslie Ward 6 <<<
Edgar Ward 3
Douglas McCrea 2

Name: Leslie Ward
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England


Can you tell us where Hilda was in 1901? Or Edgar/Russell?

It would have helped to know that info from 1911 before, that there was another child -- so does it say 3 born, 3 living -or- 3 born, 2 living??

Sorry I should have said that Hilda died in 1918 not 1910!!
She was registered in the name of Nash but I have been unable to find where she is buried. Tried both Ward and Nash but no luck!
Thanks again for your help and interest.

SWtella

Stella when you said 'Hilda died in 1910 and my dad was placed with the Board of Guardians in Mitcham' that should say 1918 not 1910?

What name was her death registered in?

Okay this is her

Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
Nash Hilda C 42 Chelsea 1a 512

Births Dec 1875 (>99%)
Ward Hilda Constance St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 382

Stella I had sent you the name of the chlid Kenneth 1931 of Edgar R Ward and Alice E tubb and mentioned that several people seem to have him in their trees here at Genes. Have you tried contacting any of them?

Today I have received the marriage certificate of Edgar Russell Ward and Alice Elizabeth Tubb. This I am fairly certain proves that Edgar is my uncle as it is the same one as on the 1911 census which my grandmother, Hilda Ward completed. His father is recorded as Howard Llewellyn Ward (deceased )and his occupation is Clerk in Holy Orders. I wonder if this is accurate unless Hilda, being nee Ward actually married a Ward!?
I am awaiting the birth certificate of Edgar and Alice's son Kenneth born in 1931 who of course may still be alive.

Thank you everyone for your help in trying to find my family. I have been searching now for 20 years.
It is very complicated as it seems that Hilda had 4 children one of whom was my dad, his father was a Frank Nash. Frank was a dock clerk in 1915 at the time of my dad's birth and a clerk to the Admiralty in 1918. I have been unable to find any marriage to Hilda Ward. It would seem that she had the 4 children most likely by different men! Three I know a few details of but the mystery one is listed on the 1911 census. Hilda died in 1918 and my dad was placed with the Board of Guardians in Mitcham. His records state that he was abandoned by Frank in 1920. My dad sadly had no contact with any members on either side of his family for the rest of his life.
Hilda seems to have been somewhat economical with the truth when filling in the 1911 census form and birth certificates.which makes it more difficult to find out anything.
Russell Edgar Ward or Edgar Russell has his father listed on his birth certificate as Howard Ward. I think this is a made up name , I can't find any marriage for Hilda at all. As you say it is strange that she ended up this way coming from a well educated family, her father Paul Edgar,being a physicist and his father John was a surgeon in London.
Her mother was Emily Dadd not Dodd.
I have both Lewellyn and Russell Edgars' birth certificate but they are of no help. I will send off for the marriage certificate for Edgar, maybe that will shed some light on to it. Thank you again for your kind interest and help.
Stella

On original 1911 census which is supposed to be written by Hilda it says Llewelyn age 9.

But on transcribed part it says he is 2 born 1908.

Also Hilda gives her age as 33 =1878 when the Hilda constance was born 1875.

I can't find Hilda 1891 on 1901 or Edgar/Russell born 1900 in 1901.

Maryb

Mary is this not Llewelyn

WARD LLEWELYN M 1908 3 Poplar London

1908 not 1902? or is that a mistranscription

1911 37,Canton Street Poplar e
Hilda Ward widow sick club visitor and worker for wholesale Tea firm born Hanover Square pimlico
Russell 1900 born Kilburn London.
Llewelyn 1902. born Hackney London.
children born 3 children still alive 3 so who was the third one?

Maryb
Hilda's dad was a physicist (spelling not correct)and his dad was a general practitioner so quite a well healed family,but on 1911 census Hilda occupied two rooms,and maybe didn't marry.

There is only one 'Llewelyn Howard' anything birth 1865-1882

Births Sep 1871 (>99%)
Squire Llewelyn Howard S Wrexham 11b 310

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
SQUIRE Llewelyn Howard Wrexham 11b 490

just in case she used the father's real given names but that doesn't look promising, he was in Doncaster in 1911.

Or he might have been Llewelyn surname Howard ...


Stella seems to have read my 'PM'.

On ancestry it says Edgar Russell Ward 1900 to Hilda Ward and Llewelyn Howard Ward so this would tie in with Llewelyn Davies Ward 1902.

I can't find Llewelyn Howard Ward anywhere else or a marriage between Hilda and Llewelyn.

Neither can I find marriege between Hilda and a Nash,very strange.
Hilda's parents Edgar Paul Ward 1850-1900 and Emily Dodd.
Maryb

Re the child's name I sent you several people with family trees here at Genes have that name born in that year but in Hounslow rather than Willesden and there doesn't seem to be such a birth. Might that be the child in question?

They had one child and I will send you those details privately.

I can't see a birth registration to match your info about Edgar/Russell. Can you give the registration details?

What I'm not understanding is the Nash, if his parents were called Ward when his birth was registered.

Okay then I stopped searching for Nash

Name: Edgar Russell Ward
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hendon (1837-1947)
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a

Name: Edgar Russell Ward
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: 1978
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 2192

Name: Edgar R Ward
Spouse Surname: Tubb --- Alice E Tubb
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Brentford
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 646

I am trying to find any information on my uncle Russell Edgar or Edgar Russell .He was born in Willesden in 1900 the son of Hilda Ward' my grandmother. On his birth certificate it states that his father was a Howard Ward and his mother was Hilda Constance Ward, nee Dadd but I think this in fictitious as she was born Ward and her mother's maiden name was Dadd! In 1911 Hilda was living in Poplar with another son Llwelynn Davies (no father's name registered on his birth certificate in 1902.) I have no definite further information beyond this date as to what happened to him. Hilda died in 1918 three years after my father Thomas Paul Nash was born in 1915.