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12 Dec 2009 00:37 |
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Marriage to Elizabeth Carr 1901 to her death in 1908.
Second marriage to Mary Ann in Dublin 1910. They lived in Bow Bridge and Ropewalk Cottages, Ushers Quay.
Glad to hear of any descendants. He was my Irish grandmother's brother.
Died 1953, buried in Glasnevin cemetery.
Anne Power 2 Dec 2010
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12 Dec 2009 09:44 |
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I don't see a marriage for them in 1901 under the surname Mearns. Was that Charles's surname please?
Do you have the information from the marriage certificate please?
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Dea
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12 Dec 2009 10:17 |
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No marriage in Liverpool.
No death for Anne Mearns!
No Alglezark St in West Derby !!
We really need some more info here please.
Having said that - could this be the marriage?
Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cunnington Sarah Elizabeth Kettering 3b 414 ***FINCH-HATTON Elizabeth A Kettering 3b 414 ***Hatton Elizabeth Anna F Kettering 3b 414 ***MEARS Charles Thomas Kettering 3b 414 Stewart Davison Bruce Kettering 3b 414
It's nowhere near Liverpool though !
I won't look further until you have confirmed the info we need please.
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12 Dec 2009 13:45 |
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Well, at last I have found them on 1901 but I am none the wiser yet!
I found the address on 1911 and traced some of the neighbours back to 1901.
Ann and Charles ??? were not there in 1911.
1901 England Census about Ann Maker ................ Image looks like Maher / Maber ??? - I will look further.! Name: Ann Maker Age: 65 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: Kensington Christchurch County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 229 Household Members: Name Age Ann Maker 65 smallware shopkeeper. b Ireland. Charles Maker 27 window cleaner 1, Angleyarth/Angleyark ?? St.
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3491; Folio: 114; Page: 35.
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12 Dec 2009 13:55 |
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So, is this the marriage then - found in about 20 seconds ??
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1901 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference MAHER Charles CARR Elizabeth Everton, St. Chrysostom Liverpool 2095WD/6/55
I really hope not after spending hours looking for the wrong name!
I will do no more until I get the correct info from Anne - I will then be happy to help.
Dea x
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13 Dec 2009 09:33 |
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Well done Dea! That looks good as Anne said both the mothers were Irish and Maher is a pretty common Irish surname - well at least it seems to be where my lot come from in Tipperary!
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Dea
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13 Dec 2009 09:42 |
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Thanks Rootgatherer,
Anne has confirmed to me by pm that I have found the correct people.
She appears to have ALL the info on Charles and Elizabeth's families going back through the census it is just their whereabouts in 1911 and what happens to them after that which she now needs.
I have asked her to post the info on here and explained how to do it.
Dea x
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Anne
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14 Dec 2009 18:26 |
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thanks very much Dea and Rootgatherer,
i had no idea that people were working away on my behalf ! This may have been happening with other things i have put out.
My sequence is that I have the MAHER family in 1881 and 1891 census living at 1 Anglezark St. west derby Liverpool.
Charles born 1823 ? and Anne born 1831? both in Ireland. I noticed that the daughter born in Ireland in 1871 was written as "Amy" in 1881 and guessed that revealed the Irish accent of her parents or mother, because she was my grandmother and I knew her to be Annie. However I learned that she was born Anna Maria in Naas, Kildare and that was confirmed in her own handwriting in the 1911 census. In England she seems to have been Annie M. as in the marriage to Thomas Power and 1901 and 1911 census. She was widowed in 1911 and died in Dec. 1914. My father, James, and 3 siblings were separated and James and 2 siblings were in the police orphanage from 1911 probably. Haven't got the orphanage records yet. Charles senior died in the 90's but I couldn't find what happened to his widow and son, Charles. The big search for them ended recently when I discovered that the name MAHER which I knew could be pronounced Magher was there as MAKER. So Anne and son Charles were there in 1901 in the same house as before. Then i found a marriage for sep. 1901 for Charles MAKER and Elizabeth Ann Carr, and a death for Anne Mearns/MAKER in 1906 and the house occupied by others in 1911. So now my quest is for descendants of Charles Maher/Maker and Elizabeth Carr. But also where were Charles Maher c.1823 and Anne Mearns c.1831 born in Ireland. My father said his parents were one from north and one from south Ireland, but he was wrong there cos his father was born in England. His paternal grandparents were from Meath and Dublin and probably married in Drogheda so that they maybe fit the description, or it may be Charles and Anne. He also said his mother came from Mayo, but that too may apply to the earlier generation. Did Anne Mearns come from Mayo?? Thanks again and what will emerge next??
Anne
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4 Jan 2010 19:41 |
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I am searching for descendants of Charles Maher born in Old Swan, Liverpool in 1873. His parents were Charles Maher and Anne formerly Mearns both from Ireland. His sister, my grandmother, was born in Ireland in Oct 1871 in Naas, Kildare. This was confirmed in her own handwriting in the 1911 census. I noticed in 1881 census that she, Anna Maria was recorded as Amy and I deduced that it was the Irish accent of one or both of her parents which misled the clerk. Later she is known as Annie M. in 1891, 1901 and 1911 census. She died in Dec. 1914. Her husband Thomas Power had died in 1911 just before the census. I haven't been able to find any reference to Charlie Maher after 1891 census until recently when I stumbled across him and his widowed mother under the name Maker in 1901 census. I believe this instance to be a transcription error, but i think there could also be the possibility of the Irish pronunciation sounding more like Maker than Maher to English ears. I found a death for Anne his mother in 1906 and the home they had in 1 Anglezark St. Liverpool from 1881 till 1906 was in the possession of another family by 1911. There is a marriage for Charles in Sept. 1901 with Elizabeth Ann Carr and lots of possible children, but I can't find any family in 1911. They both had Irish mothers though both born in England and maybe they moved to Ireland but it seems unlikely. Charles was a plasterer at 17 but was cleaning windows when living with his widowed mother at 27 and she ran a small shop. I'd appreciate any clues anyone can provide. Thanks. Anne.
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27 Oct 2010 20:25 |
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I have found a possible death for Elizabeth Ann Carr/Maher in 1908, and a possible second marriage for Charlie in Blackburn in 1909. Not got a name for the new wife yet. Have been trawling passenger lists from UK before 1911 but not identified this new couple and presumably some children. What do you think, Dea and Rootgatherer ? Thanks again for your patience earlier. Anne
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27 Oct 2010 21:19 |
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1911 census doesn't match either of 2 second marriages I wondered about though the Maher/Maker name had gone to Mayor and Moer. Anne.
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28 Oct 2010 00:30 |
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now found some descendants who may be alive. edward c. maher 1935 and his brother walter j maher born in bootle in 1937. Parents margaret e andrews and edward c maher (may have misremembered that name)
Do hope someone knows them and we can link up.
Anne Power
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Dea
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28 Oct 2010 09:05 |
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Hi again Anne,
I don't think that 1909 marriage is 'your' Charles:
Marriages Jun 1909 **LANGTON Sarah Jane Blackburn 8e 867 **MAYOR Charles Blackburn 8e 867 PROCTER Albert Blackburn 8e 867 PROCTER Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 867
Lancs Bmd confirms that he married Sarah: MAYOR Charles LANGTON Sarah Jane Churck Kirk, St James Church Preston CE37/7/27
.................. This looks very much like them on 1911, so he is not the one!
1911 MAYOR, Charles Head Married M 27 1884 Blacksmith Shosing Forge Lanc Owaldtwistle MAYOR, Sarah Jane Wife Married 2 years F 31 1880 At Home Lanc Chorley MAYOR, Tom Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Lanc Accrington
RG14PN25127 RG78PN1438 RD474 SD7 ED7 SN114 Registration District: Blackburn Sub District: Oswaldtwistle Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Oswaldtwistle Address: 9 Havelock Street Oswaldtwistle County: Lancashire Dea x
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2 Nov 2010 10:40 |
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I believe I have found the orphaned family in 1911 census but no longer have a subscription for it. There's a Mary Maher or Maker born in Bootle in 1903 and Edward born in Bootle in 1904 and Elizabeth born in Seaforth (next door to Bootle) in 1905. Hopefully they are all in the same household and hopefully it was a family member perhaps a member of the Carr family who was rearing them. There could be more siblings but they are the best match I can find. Mother died in 1908 and maybe Charlie had or chose to go away to work. I hope someone may be able to look this up for me. Thanks in anticipation. Anne.
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2 Nov 2010 13:20 |
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I don't think it is what you were looking for but here are the 1911 census's you asked for:
MAHER, Edward Head Married M 43 1868 Dock Labourer Liverpool Lancas MAHER, Hannah Wife Married 8 years F 41 1870 House Wife Liverpool Lancas MAHER, William Son M 11 1900 School Liverpool Lancas MAHER, Edward Son M 8 1903 School Liverpool Lancas *** MAHER, John Patrick Son M 2 1909 Infant Liverpool Lancas
RG14PN22415 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED9 SN198 Registration District: West Derby Sub District: Bootle Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Bootle cum Linacre Address: 113 Beresford St Bootle County: Lancashire ....................................
MAHER, John Head Married M 46 1865 Dock Labourer Roscrea County Tipperary Ireland Resident MAHER, Annie Wife Married 12 years F 36 1875 Liverpool Lancashire MAHER, Mary Daughter F 8 1903 Bootle Lanc *** MAHER, Harriet Daughter F 7 1904 Bootle Lanc MAHER, John Son M 4 1907 Bootle Lanc MAHER, Robert Son M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Bootle Lanc
RG14PN22418 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED12 SN338 Registration District: West Derby Sub District: Bootle Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Bootle cum Linacre Address: 22 William Henry St Bootle County: Lancashire ................................................
MAHER, Stephen Head Married M 56 1855 Shoe Maker Clonmel Tipperary Resident MAHER, Mary Wife Married 32 years F 49 1862 Clonmel Tipperary Resident MAHER, Jack Son Single M 26 1885 French Polisher Clonmel Tipperary Resident MAHER, James Son Single M 24 1887 French Polisher Clonmel Tipperary Resident MAHER, Mary Kate Daughter Single F 22 1889 Clonmel Tipperary Resident MAHER, Harry Son Single M 19 1892 App French Polisher Templemore Tipperary Resident MAHER, Adelaide Daughter Single F 18 1893 Telephone Operator Templemore Tipperary Resident MAHER, Margaret Daughter Single F 16 1895 Domestic Servant Templemore Tipperary Resident MAHER, Norah Daughter F 14 1897 School Seaforth Liverpool MAHER, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 School Seaforth Liverpool ***
RG14PN22305 RG78PN1318 RD455 SD1 ED6 SN327 Registration District: West Derby Sub District: Crosby Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Seaforth Address: 120 Sandy Road Seaforth County: Lancashire Dea x
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Anne
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2 Nov 2010 22:46 |
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thanks for all those Mahers, Dea. They may link up somehow. Was there no sign of the 3 motherless children I was looking for? Sad.
Anne.
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3 Nov 2010 00:04 |
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I see on closer looking that the 3 children by name d.o.b. and district might be there in different families, but they are all described as children of those parents. Maybe this means my 3 were not even in England. I hope not.
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8 Nov 2010 23:35 |
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I only guessed at the children. Maybe there were none. I still have the problem of Charles Maher not being in the 1911 census.
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2 Feb 2011 00:22 |
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thanks to so many helpful researchers I have found that Charles Maher moved to Dublin and married Mary Ann in 1910 and a descendant has emailed me and will be talking to his parents about the family history and me.
I'm now longing to hear and see photos.
No idea about descendants from his marriage with Elizabeth Carr 1901 to 1908 in Liverpool.
Anne Power
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20 Mar 2011 07:18 |
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Hello researchers,
I have had emails and photos now from Charles Maher's descendants in Dublin and England. His second marriage in Dulin produced one child, another Charles and he had 11 children so I have a tribe of new relations to get to know. No hint about the earlier marriage yet.
Thank you all.
Anne Power manchester UK
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