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Still here! Beginning to give up on Alice and Emma a bit!!
Jan

Hi again! Lost my nerve there as I felt I needed to re-think all this. I double-checked Emma's name and it is Whitehouse . I do have Harriet's birth cert but not their marriage cert - there has been some confusion for me about Emma's name, as I can't find their marriage - the nearest I have is:


Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%)

HILLIER Henry Birmingham 6d 18
WHITEHURST Emily Birmingham 6d 18

Still no nearer to Alice though I fear!

Any more ideas please? Am looking at your info but tying myself in knots!

Cheers

Jan

Joan, I don't I'm afraid. I must admit this is originally some of my earlier research which I am re-visiting, so isn't quite as thorough as more recent investigations. (Or so I like to think!) I suppose I didn't anticipate it would be quite so hard finding this Alice, thought it was just me!.

I am so grateful for your efforts, and there is some interesting stuff here for me to look at.. May I ask you to leave your posts on here for now please? Need to re-coup with all the info I have been given! I promise I shall have finished looking at all of it by the end of next week, then I'll come back and say what I have done. I know it helps to get rid of extra threads but I could do with all this a bit longer please. Hope that is OK.

I won't object to any more of course!!

With gratitude

Jan

Hi Jan
Going back to when Henry and Emma married. Do you have their marriage cert?
Joan

hi here is emma simmons details from 1871
1871 census

Name Emma Simmons
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Servant
Address Howard Street
District Kings Norton, Harborne
Parish
Administrative County Worcestershire
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth County Warwickshire

Also on the 1871 livig with Robert and Emily Bainbridge and their baby maria Alice 1/12 is a servant age 18 EMMA Simmons................Ummmmmm
Will carry on looking

The Bainbridge family in 1881 is minus the parents and Maria Alice, Robert jnr and Mary are under the name Baimbridge and are lodgers in the Wilson family. maria Alice is now just Alice and is a lodger with the Lawrence family... interestingly there is also a Wilson lodger.

Dee x

Hi here is the bainbridge family in 1871
1817 census

Name Maria A Bainbridge
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Address Howard Street
District Kings Norton, Harborne
Parish
Administrative County Worcestershire
Birth Place Smethwick
Birth County Staffordshire
in house
robert bainbridge head 38 born stockton
emily wife 37 born birmingham
robert j 9 born smethwick
mary c 7 born smethwick
sarah j 3 born smethwick
maria a 1 month born smethwick
RG 10 / 3086

Jan,

that tree also has a Charles Henry Sanders born in 1893 in Warwickshire.... so maybe the same family??


Dee x

Denise, that's a very interesting find. There is no Bainbridge name in my family as far as I know, but this is the best find so far!

I've found the marriage so might try following this up.

Many thanks!

EDIT need to go away for a bit so forgive me if delay in replying.

Jan

hi sorry was searching for info for you i got 1901 from gr

Hi Jan,

the name ALICE BAINBRIDGE keeps popping up for me, so I checked on trees on ancestry and found this;

Name: Maria Alice Bainbridge
Birth: 1871 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Death: 1904 - Staffordshire, England
Parents: Robert Bainbridge, Emily Campton
Spouse: Benjamin Sanders



Is that Benjamin Saunders????



Dee x

Hi Polly and Denise. Thanks for your interest.

Yes, that is them. I can't figure this out - she doesn't seem to be anywhere. The name seems to be transcribed correctly looking at the original. I decided to go down the marriage route but am stumped even there. Can't even find her 1911!!

Slowly going mad - still, we all like a challenge don't we!

Any other ideas would be gratefully recieved

Regards

Jan

family in 1891
1891 census

Name Sarah Hillier
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1881
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Address 7 Lambert Village
District Harbourne, Kings Norton
Parish
Administrative County Worcestershire
Birth Place Smethwick
Birth County Staffordshire
in house
henry head 47
emma wife 54
william 21
lizzie 13
harriet 12
sarah 10
clara 7

Hi Jan,

Is this the same family in 1871?

1871 England Census
about Henry Hillier
Name: Henry Hillier
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Hillmarton, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Hillier 26
Emma Hillier 28
George J Hillier 5
Henry S Hillier 2
William H Hillier 5 months


Dee x

Hi Polly - I didn't put age as such, just pasted from Ancestry! Will check original. Is your info from FMP?

Thanks both. I am sort of hoping she really is a problem so I won't feel as daft when someone solves the mystery!!

Thanks for your input.

Jan

Hi here is the 1901 census to help with places of birth you have also put emma mothers age down wrong

1901 census

Address 89 Cranford St
Civil Parish Smethwick
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Matthews
Parliamentary Borough or Division Handsworth
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Smethwick
Administrative County Staffordshire
Householder 1
Name Clara Hillier
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Iron Screw Turner
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs Smethwick
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Emma Hillier
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 65
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Monthly Nurse
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs West Bromwich
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Henry Hillier
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 57
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Carter
Employment Status
Where Born ... Wilts
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Sarah Hillier
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs Smethwick
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Alice Saunders
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs Smethwick
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Benjamin Saunders
Relation to Head of Family S In Law
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 31
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs West Bromwich
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Charles Saunders
Relation to Head of Family Grandson
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 8
Name Ethel Saunders
Relation to Head of Family Grand Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Staffs Smethwick
Language
Infirmity

I cannot place the Alice below on previous census reports or even her birth/marriage. I have the family on all other reports but no Alice! She is recorded as Henry's daughter so must be a Hillier - she was born after Henry and Emma married.

I feel this is staring me in the face but just can't crack it.

Any advice gratefully received!

1901 England Census

Name: Alice Saunders
[Alice Hillier]
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Spouse's name: Benjamin
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Smethwick
County/Island: Staffordshire

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne

Henry Hillier 57
Emma Hillier 55
Sarah Hillier 20
Clara Hillier 18
Benjamin Saunders 31
Alice Saunders 30
Charles Saunders 8
Ethel Saunders 1

Many thanks.

Jan