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To Janey:

May I first wish you all the best for Christmas and the New Year.

Then, thank you for your further contributions to this search for the parents of Joseph Dodds.
I have not replied earlier because I have been going through the case again, and had hoped that something new might have turned up by now; unfortunately this is not the case, but I have made contact with a tree owner who has family ancestors with the same surnames and in the same places at the same time period as our Joseph. He is going to see whether he can relate any of his names to Joseph Dodds and Hannah Young.
With respect to your latest comments, I have to agree that the 1841 census showing Josephs father as John and mother as Hannah is the best fit for our purposes; but the marriage record of Joseph, giving Joseph as his father is a problem, as is the fact that there is no marriage record for his father? ( either Joseph or John) being married to any Hannah in the relevant time period other than that of Joseph to Hannah Young. I would have much preferred it to be Hannah Oliver as everything I have on the Hannah of the 1841 census suggests that is who she is.
The only record is for Joseph Dodds marrying a Hannah is Hannah Young which we have mentioned, and she and that Joseph then seem to disappear into thin air, leaving this John Dodds and Hannah ( unknown but possibly Oliver) as the only possible candidates.

Thank you again,

Peter (and Myra).

The birth record for Joseph in the IGI is a submitted record. There is a precise christening date, 28 Sep 1823, but it still isn't wholly reliable.

The other Dodds births in the batch of submitted records with parents Joseph and Hannah are:

MARY ANN DODDS
Christening: 27 MAR 1825 Longbenton, Northumberland, England
MICHAEL DODDS
Christening: 02 DEC 1827 Longbenton, Northumberland, England

Neither of them is in the 1841 census household.

There are a whooole lot of Dodds-s in Long Benton in 1841 ...


It's always possible that the submitted baptism record for Joseph is just info from the same sources you have -- the marriage cert and censuses.


I actually wonder about this batch (I've eliminated the ones with mother Ann):


British Isles
Father: John Dodds
Mother: Hannah
Batch Number: P000592

1. JOHN THOMAS DODD
Christening: 08 JUL 1833 Gateshead, Durham, England
4. EDWARD DODDS
Christening: 10 SEP 1820 Gateshead, Durham, England
5. EDWARD DODDS
Christening: 01 OCT 1826 Gateshead, Durham, England
(possibly replacement for deceased first Edward)
6. MARY ANN DODD
Christening: 18 AUG 1833 Gateshead, Durham, England
8. JOSEPH DODDS
Christening: 28 JAN 1824 Gateshead, Durham, England


The Edward, John and Joseph match that 1841 household pretty closely.

Not unusual for people to report the place where they grew up as their place of birth.

That doesn't help with whether this is your Joseph, but I think it might be the 1841 household you're looking at.

I just checked the 1841 image in case of mistranscription, but it does clearly say John. Not that this also couldn't have been an error. Coal miner - does that match with the marriage certificate?

Did you notice that next door to John and Hannah is a Robert Dodds aged ~25, wife Eleanor, coal miner? In all likelihood another son of John/Joseph. That could help with tracing.

How about your Joseph's other siblings, do we have baptism records for them?

John Dodds 45
Hannah Dodds 45
Joseph Dodds 17
Edward Dodds 15
John Dodds 12

This is driving me up the wall!

It seems that Joseph Dodds (1823 Benton/Willington/Wallsend) was the son of Joseph Dodds( Longbenton) and Hannah Young( Longbenton) ( m 1822 ). There is a GENUKI Newcastle parish record showing the pair and 3 children born in Longbenton.
He married Ann Patterson in Chester le Street in 1843.

The only acceptable record for him in 1841 census before he married is with JOHN Dodds( 1792) and Hannah(1791)
There appear to be no other records for 1841 census to verify him and his parents.
The John Dodds and Hannah in the 1841 census are in Longbenton. Joseph and Hannah are still alive in 1851 census but John is not present after that. Hannah lives on past the 1871 census and over the 40 years of census lives in all the places mentioned as the birthplace of our 1823 Joseph ( Benton, Willington and Wallsend). I find it hard to believe she is not our Hannah Young but if she is then why is she shown as married to a John and not the Joseph who is given as our young Joseph's father in the parish records.
Another factor regarding this Hannah is that she is a widow living with Wilkinsons in Willington in1861 but has an Oliver with her. Now the Olivers seem to crop up regularly with our Clough family who are related to the Dodds by Josephs marriage to Ann Patterson( thier daughter Catherine Ann married a Clough.
I can find no records for Hannah Young other than her marriage to Joseph Dodds in 1822 and no deaths for either Joseph Dodds or Hannah Dodds to suggest young Joseph might have gone to live with an uncle John in 1841 if his parents had died.
Nor can I find any record for a John Dodds marrying a Hannah before 1841 to bear out the 1841 census.
Can anyone help me prove whether this Hannah in the 1841 census married to John is the same Hannah Young given as Josephs mother in the parish records, and how the father in the 1841 census is John and not Joseph as it should be
Regards,

peter

mgnv,

I didn't know any of that.

Thank you very much for the information.

I think I have been too busy looking for names instead of developing my research skills.

Regards, Peter

The IGI isn't the only thing on Familysearch - they also give locations of their Family History Centres where you can view films that you rent - see their FHLibrary. E.g., the transcription they copied for Longbenton baptisms on the IGI only goes up to 1812 - they have films of the actual registers from Morpeth records office. Also, if you go to the IGI serarch screen and (from the blue bar at top) select Search Records - Record search pilot, then the "browse our collections" link, you can browse thru the unindexed Durham bishop's transcripts (which cover all Northumberland, not just the northern bits that used to be Co Durham). Not every parish is there for all dates.

Thanks Janey - I came back to a previous thread I posted on without checking for a new one

I wonder if this could be John with Ann listed as daugher in 1841 in Kiillingworth Colliery - just a thought - could be a wild goose chase

1841

Name: John Laverick
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Long Benton
Hundred: Castle (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Long Benton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Laverick 50
Martha Laverick 20
William Laverick 20
Ann Laverick 15

Just checked the IGI and John and his wife Margaret did have a daughter Ann of the right age so this looks a dead end

Just what I suggested in the new duplicate thread.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1190576

One . post . per . subject

Could John Laverick have been Ann's stepfather?

JOHN LAVERICK Pedigree
Male Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: JANE PATTISON Family
Marriage: 20 MAY 1832 Saint Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

The advice on obtaining the marriage details for Joseph Dodds was sound.
I purchased the Parish Marriage record from Durham Records Online.
See Below.
9 Sep 1843 Joseph Dodds (bachelor, collier), age minor, of Edmondsley, son of Joseph Dodds (collier) married Ann Patterson (spinster), age minor, of Edmondsley, daughter of John Laverick (collier)
Witnesses: John Laverick, Mary Dodds

Whilst I now have the father of Joseph, my original quest, it has thrown up another more complicated problem.
It states that Ann Patterson's father is John Laverick and not the George Patterson 1805 I had expected and been banking on.

How can this be?? I have searched Ancestry and Familysearch but cannot find any links between a John Laverick ( say b. 1800) and an Ann Patterson( Pattison as sometimes spelled) b 1825 from census records.

Can anyone suggest how we might proceed to resolve this new conundrum.


Regards, Peter and Myra.

Yes, we have this as the marriage for Joseph and Ann Pattison.

It never crossed my mind that his father would be shown on the marriage certificate.
Thanks for the pointer.
It looks like ordering this certificate will give the lead we need.

Peter and Myra.

Been trying to find the marriage. This is as close as I can find. Any idea if this is correct?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
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>>>>>>DODDS Joseph Chester le Street 24 16
ELLIOTT William Chester le Street 24 16
FORSTER John Chester le Street 24 16
HARLAND Ann Chester le St 24 16
MINTO Isabella Chester le Street 24 16
MUSE Elizabeth Chester le Street 24 16
>>>>>PATTERSON Ann Chester le Street 24 16
THOMPSON Charles Chester le Street 24 16


Andy

Do you have their marriage cert with his father's name?
Possible marraige below

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
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>>DODDS Joseph Chester le Street 24 16
ELLIOTT William Chester le Street 24 16
FORSTER John Chester le Street 24 16
HARLAND Ann Chester le St 24 16
MINTO Isabella Chester le Street 24 16
MUSE Elizabeth Chester le Street 24 16
>>>PATTERSON Ann Chester le Street 24 16
THOMPSON Charles Chester le Street 24 16

Yes, thanks for that.
Kept pressing the submit but the computer kept hanging up so had to keep backing up and retrying. It suddenly worked on the 6th attempt and I had assumed the others had not submitted.

Peter

Loving your new name Joan.

Jean

You have gone a bit jittery with your submit button and added this thread 6 times, best to delete the extra ones and leave one thread running.

Joseph Dodds(b 1823)( married to Ann Pattison) is shown in the various census records as being born in Benton, Willington or Wallsend between 1851 and 1881. ( these places are all within a mile or so of each other)
There are two Joseph Dodds' in the 1841 census records. Of course there is no birthplace given.
For his parents we have a choice of John and Hannah living in Longbenton or ,George and Ann living in Killingworth Colliery.
There is also a marriage reference for a JOSEPH( not John) Dodds of Longbenton married to a Hannah Young in 1822, but I cannot find a Joseph and Hannah in the 1841 census, only a John and Hannah. It would however seem that this pair did have had a son Joseph born in 1823 according to an IGI reference.
Can anyone suggest which of the options for the parents of our Joseph as first specified above would be right.

Regards,

Peter and Myra