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Cannot find on 1881 census

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dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 10 Nov 2009 20:29

lancashireann

My Rose Billinghurst is the one born in Lewes, sussex. That is definite

I have not looked on the criminal registers - thats a new one on me - where would I find them? Are they on Ancestry?

Don't spend any more time on her. I know someone would have found her, if she was findable!!! She could be Florence, but ....?

Thank you very much for your help

Jo

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 10 Nov 2009 17:18

have you tried looking at criminal registers to see if Florence is 'Florence' or 'Rose' in them

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 10 Nov 2009 17:13

there are also several Billinghurst birth reistrations in the apprximate place & time ascale just registered as 'Female' which could be Florence

eg

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Billinghurst Female Pancras 1b 102

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 10 Nov 2009 17:06

just for reference

Births Dec 1859 (>99%)
BILLINGHURST Rose Lewes 2b 150 Scan available - click to view


and to confuse things and to avoid mix-up

Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
BILLINGHURST Rose Jane Brighton 2b 252

dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 10 Nov 2009 16:20

Jan

Sorry if you have spent time looking for my Rose Billinghurst!!

I think as you say, it must be Florence as an Inmate with loads of ladies. This Florence is born in the right place also, Lewes, Sussex.
I agree in institutions etc, they did not always get the correct details down. They could have muddled her age with the lady above on this census, who was 21 !!! Just thoughts.

Thank you very much indeed for your help

Jo

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Nov 2009 09:12

Hi Josephine.

Haven't posted before, but I too have been searching for your Rose with no result!

For what it's worth I think Choccy's find stands a really good chance of being right - there is no trace of this "Florence" anywhere else, and in a prison with loads of other inmates there is a good chance the name just got recorded incorrectly

The only other thing I tried was looking for John on the off-chance she was already living with him as his wife, but no luck there either!

Jan

dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 10 Nov 2009 08:11

Choccy / Rambling Rose and antipodes

Thank you all very much for your help, while I have had a night's sleep!!

I think antipodes, I might have to consider Florence being Rose, but she should really be only 21ish.
On the 61 census she was 1, 1871 she was 11, 1881 missing, 1891 29, she has lost a year or two , 1901 she gives 39 and 1911 goes to 51 !!

Thank you all very much indeed for your help

Jo

Choccy

Choccy Report 9 Nov 2009 22:50



Deaths Dec 1879 (99%)
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Billinghurst Jane 56 Greenwich 1d 546


Choccy

Choccy Report 9 Nov 2009 22:48



here's Henry -


1881 England Census
Name: Henry Billinghurst
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lindfield, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Park Farm Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Jobbing Wheelwright

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 76
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Billinghurst 66
Emily Billinghurst 18




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 716; Folio: 104; Page: 9;GSU roll: 1341167.



Rambling

Rambling Report 9 Nov 2009 22:42

Jo have you found the parents on 1881? I ask because I can't find them....

dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 9 Nov 2009 22:04

Lancashireann

Thank you for your help. Rose Billinghurst married John Piercey in 1885, as you found

I don't think the Rosina b Middx is the right one. She has been misread on the census and is unfindable!!

Thank you very much for looking

Jo

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Nov 2009 21:11

Rose's marriage?

Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
BILLINGHURST Rose Greenwich 1d 922
BROOKS Annie Greenwich 1d 922
Piercey John Greenwich 1d 922
REED Aaron Greenwich 1d 922

There is also a Rosina Billinghurst who married in 1889 so I think that probably rules aout the Rosina b Middlesex.

dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 9 Nov 2009 20:05

Jean

I don't actually have a sub to FMP, but looked on the searches, but could find no Rose Billinghurst.
Could be Rosina, but all the other censuses, she has put down Rose.

I have decided she is unfindable!!!!

Many thanks for your help
Regards
Jo

Jean

Jean Report 9 Nov 2009 19:57

So I assume you have found the Rosina Billinghurst on FMP who states her place of birth as Middlesex

dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 9 Nov 2009 19:50

Choccy

Thank you very much for your help. I don't somehow think Florence would be Rose.
I have looked both on Ancestry and FMP and cannot find her.

Thank you very much for your help
Regards
Jo

Choccy

Choccy Report 9 Nov 2009 19:38



Found a Florence, not Rose.

Can find no 'Florence' being born in Sussex between 1852 and 1861 ??



1881 England Census
Name: Florence Billinghurst
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: "London Female Penitentiary" 166 Pentonville Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: L Female Penitentiary Domestic Servant

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Woolcott 37
Beatrice Banrester 21
Florence Billinghurst 24
Maria Prentice 19
Fanny Shepherd 29
Annie Barris 19
Sarah Alsop 26




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 354; Folio: 83; Page: 27;GSU roll: 1341076.



dizzyjo

dizzyjo Report 9 Nov 2009 19:23

I am looking for Rose Billinghurst. She should be 21 b Lewes, Sussex.

The 1861 census she is with her parents Henry and Jane Billinghurst at Rodmell, Lewes, age 1
In the 1871 census (under Billingswrath' on Ancestry), she is again with her parents in Lewisham, London.
1881 census - cannot find - but not with her family

1891, she was married Rose Piercey, age 29 b Lewes, and again in Lewisham.

Can anyone find her on the 1881 census probably under a different spelling!!!

Many thanks

Jo