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It might be either Terry.

Usually it gives father's name - sometimes under occupation it will say deceased instead of giving an occupation.

Sometimes, it will not say deceased even when father is deceased. I think it depends on the way in which the question is asked.

Jill

if his father was decessed when he got married would it not tell you his fathers name would it not say father decessed

marriage even

thank you for that but i will now have to find their maggage year

Joseph and Alice were living in the same house. Joseph was a lodger, Alice was a "nurse child".

Mangling is laundry work. Google - "mangle" - you can find quite a lot of info about it online.

Are you descended from this chap? If so I would order the birth cert of your known ancestor - his child. That would confirm Elizabeth's maiden name and then help you with the marriage cert. The marriage cert might be the only way to find Arthur's father's name for sure.

Jill

mrs grumpy sorry if your getting confused but thats what i mean about being stumped

hi mrs grumpy sorry what does it mean when it says mangling and does it mean the other names were living there

Now I'm getting confused.

This is the only one I can spot in the 1861 - so details don't seem to match - harumph! :-

Arthur Hodge
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Emma M
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 67
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
David Hodge 45
Emma M Hodge 34
James Hodge 16
Edwd Hodge 15
Arthur Hodge 13
Louisa Curtis 22


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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 136; Folio: 127; Page: 13; GSU roll: 542579.

1871 details:

addr: 56 Grove Street.
Mum is a widow. occupation - Mangling. She was born in Highgate.
Arthur is a Van Guard
Robert is a shop boy

Joseph Owen is a lodger - also a Van Guard.
Alice Lewis is a nurse child - aged 15/16 months.

Jill

it could well be mrs grumpy but can i hear the trumpets yet

Possible fanfare of trumpets:

1871

Authur Hodge
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Regents Park St Mark
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 280
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Hodge 47
Jane Hodge 22
Authur Hodge 17
Robt Hodge 13
Eliza Hodge 9
Albert Hodge 8
Beatrice Hodge 5
Joseph Owen 17
Alice Lewis 17


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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 206; Folio: 74; Page: 43; GSU roll: 824593.

yes that could be the one mrs grumpy

?? Might be, might not be:

Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
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Fox Charlotte Pancras 1b 189
Hodge Arthur John Pancras 1b 189
Smith Elizabeth Pancras 1b 189
WEBBE James Bedson V Pancras 1b 189




I cannot find him pre-1881 on the censuses.

Jill

hi ladies no its not the arthur b one thanks

So this could be your man:

Births Sep 1853 (98%)
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Hodge Arthur John St Pancras 1b 138


Pancras covers: Camden Town; Gray's Inn Lane; Kentish Town; Regent's Park; Somers Town; Tottenham Court


Jill

This is Arthur B Lodge. The one who married Jane _____

Births Mar 1854 (>99%)
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Hodge Arthur Bryant Islington 1b 186


Jill

It seems from census results that Arthur B Hodge is the Islington one ...

I'm pootling around in FreeBMD now.

Jill

no I have,nt Jill im just stuck

Have you found the marriage cert?

Jill

Hi all I was hoping someone out there could help,im looking for the parents of an Arthur Hodge born circa 1853/54 in Kentish town London,Im having trouble finding him there is another Arthur born Islington but he is not the same one,if got mine married to a Elizabeth,and ive got back to 1881 living in Dalby st London,but thats as far as I can go,please help