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Thank You Ellen for your help. I have managed now to get into this site but sadly, the Bayliss page has been removed.
Anyhow, I am still after the family in the 1841/1851 census's. Jim

James,Sorry i'm new to the community side of Genes and am just feeling my way around.If you google James Thomas Newton Bayliss ,that Familymaker should be there

Hello Ellen,
Thank you for your input. I do have Alfred James Bayliss baptism in 1816 so do not believe that the Shoreditch one or the criminal record one are mine as their dob's are not right. I may be wrong of course.
What I am after is to find the family on a census and believe that either 1841 or 1851 are my best hope but have thus far drawn a blank despite putting into the indexes every variation on the name I can think of.
Unfortunately I am a little challenged in the computer department and cannot find the Bayliss 'page' on the site you gave me. I can get into some of it just not Bayliss in the UK.
As it happens I cannot find how to get this appeal to the front of the list again either. I thought you just added a 'nudge' but obviously I am mistaken.
Thanks again. Jim

Do you know there is a PDF Familytree maker on the Bayliss .
familytreemaker.geneology.com/users/m/o/r.../PDFGENEO 1.pdf

1851Census
8York Row,Haggerstone West,Shoreditch
Head Alfred Bayliss c1821 St George East-Labourer

Also given on Ancestry -London,Births and Baptisms 1813-1906
Name- Alfred James Bayliss
Father-James Thomas Newton Bayliss
Mother-Mary Bayliss

Also England and Wales ,Criminal Register
Name-Alfred Bayliss
Birth c1818
Trial-12.6.1837
Location-Middlesex ,England
Sentence-Acquittal

Alfred Baylis born 7th July 1816 Chrs.29.12.1816 St.George the Martyr,Southwark

hello Mary B,
It is a little mystery why George says British Subject. I don't believe he was abroad at all. In the earlier census's he claims to have been born at Tower or Tower Hill. I have tried all the churches in the area and have given up on looking for his birth at the moment, instead trying to concentrate on his siblings and father. Once I have something of them to go on, I might do better. Jim

Strange it says British Subject for George's birth place,could this mean they had been living abroad and that is the reason you can't find them.

Where was George born?

Maryb

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Hi GB,
The family you have found are indeed my G Grandparents and family. What I am after now is Georges father and his family to go sideways. I have tried every mistranscribed name I could think of but have obviously missed the vital one. I have Emma's family. Jim

1881 are you saying this is the family?
Name: George Boyliss
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: (British Subject)

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Belinda Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Genral Labourer

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Boyliss 43
Emma Boyliss 41
Alfred Boyliss 14
William Boyliss 12
Emily Boyliss 8
Louisa Boyliss 6
Thomas Boyliss 3
Henry Boyliss 1

Thanks Paul, I had overlooked that important detail. G G Grandmother was Mary Jane Packson when they married in 1814. First son (that I know of) was Alfred James Bayliss baptised 29 Dec, 1816. I have found through a church marriage cert, William James born around 1822. They, along with my G Grandfather, George James/Lawrence Bayliss are the only children I can be sure of. Jim

Deaths Mar 1854
Bayliss Mary Jane Camberwell 1d 331

IGI gives his wife as Mary Jane Packson

....and his wifes name was?

Hi G B,
I have never found JTNBayliss in the 1871. I don't have access here but at the library but even my G Grandfather's family in the 1881 was mistranscribed as Boyliss. I believe JTN Bayliss would have been passed away by 1871 as baptised 1794. His wife died 1854 at Camberwell.
Hope this extra is helpful. Jim

Tree on Ancestry has him born 1794 Walsall but make no mention of possible marriage or any children

Do you mean he was born in 1814 or married then? Also, childrens name could be of huge help in locating them on censuses. Wifes name too.

If you have the 1871 census then can you post the details as it would help us to help you

I believe that James Thomas Newton Bayliss
was my G G Grandfather from his son's marriage cert. He was bap at Walsall but married at St George/Martyr, Southwark 1814 where his first child was also baptised over 20 years before my G Grandfather was born. I cannot find the other children baptised between those years but am currently working through various churches at the LMA.
My main problem is that I cannot find any of the family in the 1841/51/61 census's as they may be transcribed. Has anybody any idea how to find them at all?