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Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 10:11

Thanks to some great help from previous members i have been able to piece together g grandparents etc. Unfortunately I can't seem to go any further. My G Grandmother Edith Emily Dymond was born (according to her death & marriage certificate) in 1874 in Rockbeare Devon. She married William John Rose 20th Aug 1900 in the parish of Rockbeare which was witnessed by Emma Coles & Robert Ralph Dymond. Again, according to her marriage certificate her father was called William Dymond & was a Agricultural labourer. Unfortunately I cannot find William Dymond on the census & would dearly love to know where he was born, when he was born & his wife's name. Once again i would be very grateful for any help.
regards
Martyn

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 28 Oct 2009 10:17

hi could this be her in 1901
1901 census

Address Marsh Green
Civil Parish Rockbeare Entire
Rural District St Thomas
Town or Village or Hamlet Rockbeare
Ecclesiastical Parish Rockbeare St Mary Entire
Parliamentary Borough or Division Eastern Or Honiton
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Devon
Householder 1
Name Harry Dymond
Relation to Head of Family Step Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Exeter Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ridgenell Dymond
Relation to Head of Family Step Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Exeter Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Edith Rose
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 27
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Hockland Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name John Rose
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 32
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Labourer General
Employment Status
Where Born Aylesbere Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name William J Rose
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Marsh Green Devon
Language
Infirmity

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 10:25

Pollypoppet
Thanks, that is definetaly Edith, but I would really like to know the birth of her father William & who is wife was. i can't seem to find any record of him on any census
regards
martyn

Sue from Perth Oz

Sue from Perth Oz Report 28 Oct 2009 10:34

1891

Name: Edith Dymond
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Whimple, Devon, England

Civil parish: Rockbeare
Ecclesiastical parish: Rockbeare
Town: Rockbeare
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Woodbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dymond 60 Monkton,Devon
Susannah Dymond 48 Otterley,St Mary,Devon
Edith Dymond 13
Daisy Dymond 11
Lilly Dymond 10
Ralph Dymond 6
Albert Dymond 4
Gertrude Dymond 2

1881

Name: Edith E. Dymond
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Susana
Gender: Female
Where born: Whimple, Devon, England

Civil parish: Whimple
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Northcott
Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Broad Clist
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dymond 40
Susana Dymond 38
William T. Dymond 19
Bessie Dymond 14
James Dymond 12
Roda Dymond 7
John G. Dymond 5
Edith E. Dymond 3
Daisy B. Dymond 1
Lilly V. Dymond



For some reason he is called Thomas in 1881 his occupation is Farm labourer


PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 28 Oct 2009 10:41

possible for robert ralph
1901 census

Address Marsh Green
Civil Parish Rockbeare Entire
Rural District St Thomas
Town or Village or Hamlet Rockbeare
Ecclesiastical Parish Rockbeare St Mary Entire
Parliamentary Borough or Division Eastern Or Honiton
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Devon
Householder 1
Name Ellen Davey
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 33
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born West Hill Ottery Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Margaret Davey
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Rockbeare Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name William Davey
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Farmer
Employment Status
Where Born Chawleigh Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Robert Dymond
Relation to Head of Family Servant
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Carter
Employment Status
Where Born Aylesbeare Devon
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Sarah Spiller
Relation to Head of Family Servant
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Ven Ottery Devon
Language
Infirmity

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 10:48

Sue from perth Oz
Thanks very much, I assume Thomas could have been his middle name or simply the name he was known by. All my relatives seemed to go by their middle name or any name at random. Probably to confuse me when trying to research them!
Thanks again
Martyn

Sue from Perth Oz

Sue from Perth Oz Report 28 Oct 2009 10:50

1871

Name: William Dymond
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Monkton, Devon, England
Civil parish: Whimple
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Broad Clist
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dymond 36
Jane Dymond 33
Lucy J Dymond 10
William T Dymond 8
Anna S Dymond 6
Bessy A Dymond 4
James R Dymond 1

Looks like Jane's death

Deaths Sep 1871
Dymond Jane 33 St. Thomas 5b 32

Wonder if this is is 2nd marriage

Marriages Dec 1879
>>>>>Dymond William South Molton 5b 792
Fisher Mary Ann South Molton 5b 792
>>>>Short Susan South Molton 5b 792
Yendell George S. Molton 5b 792

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 10:53

Pollypoppet

Thanks for that, i did obtain a copy of the census but couldn't work out the relationship. I thought it said son which really confused me, but now it all makes sense.
Thanks once again
Martyn

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 11:09

Sue
the only thing that confuses me is according to 1891 census, William was aged 60, 1881 census says he was aged 40 & 1871 says he was aged 36.
Do you think it is the same William that married Mary Ann Fisher in 1879 as it seems he was married to Jane in 1871 & Susana in 1881.

Sue from Perth Oz

Sue from Perth Oz Report 28 Oct 2009 11:10

Looks like Daisy was a twin

Births Dec 1879
Dymond Daisy Bertha St Thomas 5b 54
Dymond John St. Thomas 5b 53

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Oct 2009 11:26

The William in 1891 (age on image is clear - he is 60)

Name: William Dymond
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Monkton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Rockbeare
Ecclesiastical parish: Rockbeare
Town: Rockbeare
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Occupation: Agriculural Labourer



Thomas in 1881 on the actual image and age has been entered then changed to 40 but I can't make out what the original entry had been.

Name: Thomas Dymond
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susana
Gender: Male
Where born: Monkton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Whimple
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Northcott
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farm Laborer

Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Broad Clist



William and Thomas were both born in the same area but the 10 years difference in the age makes you wonder if it is the same person.






rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Oct 2009 11:33

There doesn't seem to be a matching birth on FreeBMD for Edith Emily - there are some Ediths but not with Emily as a middle name.

Has any one else seen anything likely?

Sue from Perth Oz

Sue from Perth Oz Report 28 Oct 2009 11:34

Think these are the births for the children

Births Dec 1873
Diment Rhoda Rosa D St. Thomas 5b 54

Births Mar 1876
DIMENT John George St. Thomas 5b 57

Births Mar 1878
DAYMENT Edith Emily St. Thomas 5b 52

Not sure about that marriage you might have to order one of the childrens birth certs

Think i have made a mistake with the 1871 will go back and have a look

Cheers Sue

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 12:21

thanks to everyone that has took the time & trouble to help me, one last thing, would anyone know how i could find the maiden name of Susanna or when she & William were married?
regs
Martyn

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 28 Oct 2009 12:31

This maybe the birth of Rieginell

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Reginald Dymond
Name: Reginald Dymond
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Crediton
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 372

If he was a Stepson might not Edith Emily have been married before?

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 12:35

Mel
I think Both Reginald (Riegenell) & henry were born out of wedlock as they both have the surname Dymond. I have ordered Henry's birth certificate & am hoping it will name his father.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Oct 2009 12:44

Sue has posted a marriage for William in 1879 to a Susan Short.

This could be her in 1871

Name: Susan Short
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Burrington, Devon, England
Civil parish: Burrington
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: South Molton
Sub-registration district: Chumleigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Short 54 Widower, Ag. Lab.
Susan Short 28 Unmarried, Occ Glover
John Short 5 Grandson
Louisa Short 1 Grandaughter


Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 28 Oct 2009 13:08

Have you got Edith's marriage cert to William John Rose? Does it say she was a Spinster?

Martyn

Martyn Report 28 Oct 2009 13:20

HI Mel
Yes it does say spinster, sorry i should have mentioned that earlier