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Thanks for the update Paul

Hello All,

I'm aware there has been a delay in my response here, but I allowed my membership to elapse and things moved on.
Anyway, I got the cert as suggested and using the info gleaned I managed to further the search, making contact with another branch of the family and finding lots of details including remarriage, suicides and mysterious deaths, illegitimate siblings and other twists and turns in military records!

Many Thanks Again.

Paul

LOL!!!
Best of luck,Paul!!!!

Maureen

OK - here goes!

Paul

Hi Paul,
Well -GRO.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/fees.asp

I've never done an overseas cert- just use what you have
and tick the bleeping boxes once you're registered.

Maureen

Hi There,

Maureen - I notice you say I can send for a birth cert for Clarice with the info you have kindly supplied. Where would would I request the cert from? Is it from the Army?

Paul

Hello All Again,

This is fantastic information! It is taking me a little while to digest it all so apologies for not responding sooner.

The family is most certainly correct and I will endeavour to correlate properly with what I have.

Thank you again!

Paul

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Births , GRO ARMY BIRTH INDICES (1881 to 1965) 1881 - 1885
Franklin Clarice Eveleen Station:Bellary Year:1884 Page:809

You can send for her birth cert with htis. (this)

Maureen

Name: Gertrude Amy Franklin
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: John Lappin
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Jan 1895
Parish: Saint Paul, Hounslow Heath
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hounslow
Spouse Father Name: Owen Lappin
Bride's father is listed-I think-as Herbert M Davison. Writing is terrible!!! Can't make out his occupation,either.

Maureen

Edit: Just been squinting at that name again- maybe Herbert/Hubert John???

Gertrudes re marriage

Name: Gertrude Amy Franklin
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 128


John Lappin

1911

LAPPIN, JOHN HEAD MARRIED M 49 COMMISSIONAIRE BELFAST IRELAND RESIDENT

LAPPIN, GERTRUDE AMY WIFE MARRIED 16 F 53 ENFIELD ESSEX

FRANKLIN, WILFRED STEPSON SINGLE M 19 SHIPPING CLERK HOUNLSLOW MIDDX

HOUGHTON, WILLIAM LODGER SINGLE M 50 NONE N K

FRANKLIN, CLARICE STEPDAUGHTER SINGLE F 26 NONE INDIA RESIDENT

FRANKLIN CLARICE (RG14PN333 RG78PN10 RD3 SD4 ED30 SN218)
Address 45 BARCLAY ROAD FULHAM SW County London
District Fulham Subdistrict North East Fulham
Enumeration District 30 Parish Fulham

Here's 1901

1901 England Census
about Clarence E Franklin
Name: Clarence E Franklin
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Niece
Where born: Madron, India

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members: Name Age
Robert John Franklin 43
Ann E Franklin 42
Clarence E Franklin 16
Grace Thorpe 18

1901 England Census
Name: Clarence E Franklin
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Niece
Where born: Madron, India

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members: Name Age
Robert John Franklin 43
Ann E Franklin 42
Clarence E Franklin 16
Grace Thorpe 18




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 68; Folio: 124; Page: 40.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Clarice Evelyn Franklin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Joseph Smith Betts
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1911
Parish: Saint John, Walham Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: William Franklin
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Betts



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John, Walham Green, Register of marriages, P77/JN, Item 027



Frances (Francis) Franklin is one of the witnesses

1911 census

HOUSEHOLD FRANKLIN CLARICE F 1885 26 Fulham London
HOUSEHOLD FRANKLIN WILFRED M 1892 19 Fulham London

Is this the family?

1891 England Census
about Clarice Franklin
Name: Clarice Franklin
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Gertrude
Gender: Female
Where born: East Indies

Civil parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Franklin 38
Gertrude Franklin 32
Francis Franklin 11
Gertrude Franklin 9
Winifred Franklin 8
Clarice Franklin 7
Alfred Franklin 1

William the father is born in Wiltshire & is a Warrant Officer in the Army. Gertrude the mother is born Essex

All Children born East Indies except Alfred who was born in Middlesex

Hello All,
I'm trying to find the parents of Clarice.
I have Clarice as being born in India, and her father as William Franklin who was a Sgt Major in the Royal Fusiliers, but no other details, for example when they came to Engalnd or her mothers name.
Clarice married Joseph Smith Betts in Fulham 1911 but they both have occupations in the colliery at Whitburn, County Durham.

Which way do I go? I've tried several India links but no luck so far.

Paul