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I know that my ancestor, John William Markham, is the son of John (from marriage cert) & Sarah. Both he and his father were farriers according to that.

John William was baptised in St Bartholomew, London on 22 Dec 1822. There was an earlier John William, whose birth & baptism appears abt 1821/early 22, but he died 1822 and there seems to have been a sister, Sarah b 1820.

I have found 2 possible marriages for a John & Sarah: Sarah Burton 26/3/1817 in North Leverton, Nottingham; Sarah Calver 21/4/1818 Trimley St Mary, Suffolk. I am inclined to go for the latter because of the children's births. However, I can't find any mention of either of them in 1841 or 1851 to fix birth places etc. I have no idea where John c 1795 was born.

Can anyone help please?

1851 probably rule this one out on occupation of Victualler
Name: John Markham
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Walkeringham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Worksop
Town: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
John Markham 57
Sarah Markham 54
Harriet Keeling 18
Dominick Mattonie 50
John Wayshaff 35


Class: HO107; Piece: 2122; Folio: 245; Page: 12; GSU roll: 87752.



1841 shown as publican

Thanks for looking. I have found a couple of John & Sarahs that might fit but none with anything like the right occupation. I know that no site has all records and I use Ancestry for my records, hence the appeal.

Problem is that both John and Sarah might have died before 1841

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Name: John Markham
Spouse Name: Sarah Jones
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 16 Sep 1816
Parish: St Bartholomew the Great
County: London
Borough: City of London

John signed, Sarah made a mark

Witnesses - John Smith and Susanna Jones


Name: Elizabeth Lowery Markham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 21 Jul 1819
Father's Name: John Markham (Farrier)
Mother's Name: Sarah Markham
Parish: Saint Mary, Whitechapel
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Name: John William Markham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Jan 1823
Father's Name: John Markham (Farrier)
Mother's Name: Sarah Markham
Parish: St Bartholomew the Great
Borough: City of London
County: London

Name: Sarah Markham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 6 Feb 1820
Father's Name: John Markham (Farrier)
Mother's Name: Sarah Markham
Parish: St Bartholomew the Great
Borough: City of London
County: London


Name: John William Markham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Dec 1821
Father's Name: John Markham
Mother's Name: Sarah Markham
Parish: St Bartholomew the Great
Borough: City of London
County: London

Here he is on 1841

MARKHAM, Sarah F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
MARKHAM, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
MARKHAM, Sarah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
MARKHAM, John M 20 1821 Middlesex .................... Farrier

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
728 Book/Folio:
4/18 Page:
31

Registration District:
London Union, West Sub District:
North EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Sepulchre Municipal Borough:
London Address:
Three Diamond Court, St Sepulchre, London County:
Middlesex

Dea x

Bingo............. 'your' John's death record. - gives birth year as 1786 (still don't know where though!)

John Markham
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 13 Oct 1839
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Parish: St Sepulchre Holborn
Borough: City of London
County: London

address at death:

3, Diamond Court, Hosier Lane !!!!!!!!! - same as the family address in 1841 !

Ref:

Deaths Dec 1839 (>99%)
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Markham John West London 2 181

Dea x

This 'could' be his birth + baptism?

JOHN MARKHAM
Birth: 20 AUG 1787

Christening: 09 SEP 1787 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England


Parents:
Father: JOHN MARKHAM Family
Mother: MARY ANN


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Dea x

Note the middle name Lowery for Elizabeth in the baps

Thank you so much everyone - this has to be him. I didn't find Elizabeth's birth because If I'm doing a blind search on Familysearch I start with the parents' first names.
For some reason for some months I've had his John William's parents down as Daniel & Phoebe. I must have got that from someone else's tree. The value of certificates, eh.
Wonderful. Let me tell you that I will soon be ordering ancestrry books for my family trees and this Community already gets huge credit for the help peeps have given me over the time I've been researching.
Heather

I have explored the Lowery connection but can't find it at the minute!

Someone else may come up with it though!!!

Dea x

Get some certs Heather and come back to us!!

Dea x

Well shame Sarah is a Jones, but you do have a rellie there as a witness by the look of it, which may help tie her down.

The above records werent from familysearch - ancestry have images of the actual records now.

I dont know if this may help but my Markhams were farriers in whitechapel London as early as 1660,s Look for Jonathan Markham.Hope this helps.