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I think it would also be a good idea to get the Glamorgan baptism CD or ask on the GR records office community board if any one has access to it.

Make sure that you refer them back to this thread so you don't get a duplicate thread going!

re Medical records

you would have to try and work out who her GP was and contact the surgery....long shot I know!


If they lived in a council house maybe you could contact the local council and see if they can come up with anything??

Where would i locate Medical Records from? There would not be a passport or will as my Grandparents were really poor - they had a council house since the children (my mother and her siblings) were born - 1930's.

Thank you for all your research and help - you have no idea how much i appreciate this. One day this mystery will be solved, I know that my Grandmother had something to hide, perhaps shameful in her day - but i am determind to find her. There must have been some truth in the information she had given, either on her marriage or death certs? I keep pestering my Aunt for snippets of information but she, herself, is in the dark - she would love to know what happened to her mother before she married her father - preferably before she dies also.

Thanks again

Trudie

I have a picture of my grandmother that i found when my mother had died and the picture was taken when she was 50 yrs old and she def looked 80. She didnt look her age at all. She hadnt worn well over the years. She had a total of 14 children 4 sets of twins plus according to my Aunty 'multiple deaths. Perhaps her life was taking it's toll on her looks. Which makes me think she was born in 1899 instead of 1904 - i know five years isnt much but hey.

She should, in theory, be aged 12 in the 1911 census and I should be able to find her, but I cant. She was probably 32 when she married not 27 as she stated. I think the witness on the marriage cert might be my key to finding more information,!!!!!

I was wondering whether if Millicent married aged 14 that she had to have parentla consent, however I have foudn this on rootschat which implies that it was not required.
"Lord Hardwicke's 1753 Marriage Act, made it illegal for those in England under the age of 21 to get married without the consent of their parents or guardians. The consent requirement was repealed and replaced in July 1822, and an act in July 1823 restored the pre-1753 rule of Canon 100. In effect, therefore, from 1823 the age at which a couple could undergo a valid marriage, even without parental consent, reverted to 14 for boys and 12 for girls. The 1929 Age of Marriage Act made all marriages void from 10 May 1929, if either partner was under the age of 16. The legal age for marriage remained at 14 for boys and 12 for girls in the Republic of Ireland, until 1st January 1975, when it was raised to 16."



However the marriage certificates doesn't give year of birth , just age. Does it definitely say 14 or could it be 19??

My Grandfather was born in 1903 - he stated me was 26 on the marriage cert and she said she was 27 - which is odd as usually you wouldnt say that you'd be older than your husband to be.

just realized that I had a bit of a brain drain and was looking for father robert and should have been looking for Richard!

Trudie.

You said she was born 1899 on her death cert and 1904 on her marriage cert.

Was her husband younger than her?
My grandmother knocked 2 years of her age for her marriage so she wasnt older than my granddad

I got the witness name from your other thread.

It would be worth trying to find out who she was as she may have been a relative, Howell being a Welsh name.

Oh my goodness. How did you know the witness's name on the Marriage cert? That is amazing. Would you suggest i get her birth cert? Who might she be - considering she was born in Pontyprid also!!!

I can not thank you enough for your information. Amazing. Atleast I have another lead to follow.

Other places to look

? passport application
? medical records
? will / probate
? her solicitor

1891
Robert Thomas coal miner
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Treorky, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Pontypridd St Catherine
Town: Middle
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

1891

Robert Thomas
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann
Town: Home Penrhys
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomas 38
Margaret Thomas 37
Robert Thomas 16 coal miner
Roger Thomas 8
John Thomas 6
David Thomas 4
Henry Thomas 1
William Thomas 81

Robert Thomas
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Grace
Gender: Male
Where born: Ffestiniog, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Clydach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Thomas 59
Grace Thomas 41
Annie Evans 19
Robert Thomas 17 coal shifter
David J Evans 14
Mary Thomas 10
Hugh Thomas 7
Anne W Evans 6/12

Tonypandy Riots 1910

http://webapps.rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk/heritagetrail/rhondda/tonypandy/tonypandy.htm

Tonypandy -->Ystradyfodwg

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Ystradyfodwg/

CD of Glamorgan baptisms 1838-1930

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsglfhs/cdfpbmd.htm

Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
Howell Doris Pontypridd 11a 550 (??witness to marriage)

Births Dec 1893 (>99%)
Thomas Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 474

Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
THOMAS Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 633

Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
Thomas Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 647

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
Thomas Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 525

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
Thomas Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 535
Thomas Morfydd Irene Pontypridd 11a

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
THOMAS Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 617

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
Thomas Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 674

Yes, thank you, I have that birth Cert - alas not her. I have not looked for her under Morfydd - being naive, I thought that when you get married, you give your proper name - i now know this not to be the case.


Yes the previous thread was mine - I am now banging my head against a brick wall with her. Sadly my mother has passed away and her siblings have no information on her - None, totally bizarre.

have you looked at births registered as Morfydd Thomas?

London Metropolitan archives

http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=12816&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2=

Clare Hall

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-hnw1&cid=0#0

Administrative history:
Note: The hospital to which the first three registers listed below relate was situated in the parish of St. Pancras on the site of the present King's Cross Station. The institution had moved here from Windmill Street, Tottenham Court Road, in 1746, and had been rebuilt c. 1793-4 when it received patients from the Cold Bath Fields Hospital in Clerkenwell, a foundation originating in Islington in 1740.
The hospital moved from King's Cross to Highgate Hill c.1846, and from there to Clare Hall, South Minns c.1895-9. It was acquired by the Middlesex Districts Joint Small Pox Hospital Board c.1900-10.

Clare Hall Hospital is now under the control of the Barnet Group Hospital Management Committee.

this was your orginal post about this

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1171557