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Just ignore me, I had dates muddled ...

I'm here! You're very welcome and good luck with William/Julia. They have me completely stumped!!

Liz

In case alviegirl isn't around for a bit, allow me: you're welcome!

Me again.
I can't believe what geniuses you all are. I've spent hours looking at this and you've solved it. All ties up, especially the address of 8 Coxes building. This is both on Annies birth certificate and Robert and Annie's marriage certificate.
It is an unusual one. I am now going to try and solve the two puzzles that have arose from this.
1. Find out if Annie and William are related in any way.
2. Who is William / Julia (That is an interesting one)

Again thank you for your time. You've made my week!

I'm so sorry.
Robert Cooper definitely died 1887 not 1897.
This all seems to tie up.
Thank you again. It's not surprising I had difficulties.
Vicki

Hello to all those who helped me. I think we have got somewhere. Yes Robert did die in 1897. Sorry to confuse things. I'm going to print this of and try and tie it all together. Many many thanks.
Vicki

Right these are the baptisms you've already found.

Record

Match quality: 2 out of 5 Annie Cooper Baptism 7 Aug 1881 Robert Cooper,
Annie Cooper Saint Philip Lambeth
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Blanch Austin Cooper Baptism 23 Nov 1883 Robert Cooper,
Annie Cooper All Saints, Lower Marsh Lambeth
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Mabel Cooper Baptism 3 Apr 1887 Robert Cooper,
Annie Cooper All Saints, Lower Marsh Lambeth



William is William J (son) in 1881 and appears to be Julia (daughter) in the next.
Can't find either name in the birth index.

There's no Robert Cooper death in Lambeth in 1897.

Deaths Jun 1887
Cooper Robert 38 Lambeth 1d 216


Have you meant 1887 all along? It makes a big difference!

I think alviegal has found your Ann.

OK now this is weird.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Austin
Name: William Austin
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Spouse Name: Annie Cooper
Spouse Age: 40
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jul 1889
Parish: Saint Mary At Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Austin
Spouse Father Name: John Austin


Thank goodness for that!! The father's have different occupations.
The groom was a batchelor but she was a widow. He was a servant residing at 4 Cox's Building, Belevedere Rd and she was at 8 Cox's Building.
His father was an engineer and hers was a labourer. Both deceased.


Liz

Or ...


Marriages Sep 1889
? AUSTIN William Lambeth 1d 692
Brown Emily Kate Lambeth 1d 692
? COOPER Annie Lambeth 1d 692
Smith James Lambeth 1d 692

Per 1891, William Austin was born in Southwark, so it looks like coincidence, or possibly distant relationship.


Vickier, what makes you sure of the Robert Cooper death?

I have a Cooper gr-grmother, and I know how hard it is to tell one of the hordes of 'em from another. ;)

That is interesting, alviegal.

I encountered a household a while ago, when helping someone out in exchange for his efforts to find my Hill/Moncks' relations, where the husband was assigned the surname of his "wife" and her children. We knew who he really was, and who the rest of the household were, so it was possible to figure it out.

I wonder whether something similar happened here?

This one is interesting. Children born Lambeth.


1891 England Census
about Annie Austin
Name: Annie Austin
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:
154, Lower Kennington Lane, Lambeth, London

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Austin 39 grocer, b Southwark
Annie Austin 42
Julia Austin 14
Annie Austin 9
Blanch Austin 7
Alfred White 3 visitor

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Probably be worth getting this birth cert:

Births Mar 1846
AUSTIN Ann Westbury 8 466


The only Ann Aust*n registered in Wesbury 1844-1848.


(Oops, posting overtook me - thought you were looking for ancestors. ;) )

Possible for Blanch 1901


1901 England Census
about Blanch Cooper
Name: Blanch Cooper
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, London, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Household Members: Name Age
Jno Spink 70
Mary Spink 72
Jno Spink 20
Blanch Cooper 19




Andy

Hello
Annie was born 1881, Blanche in 1883 and Mabel was born 1887 but died the same year. Robert died in 1897. It's what happened to any of them after this. Annie was my great grandmother and she was in Wallingford in 1901. There are no death records that I can locate for William, Annie (senior) or Blanche. Mo marriage record for Blanche.
I'm stuck

1881 census transcription details for: 8, Coxs Buildings, Lambeth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 586 Folio: 15 Page: 24

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Waterloo Road Second
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Lambeth City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Coxs Buildings, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
COOPER, Robert Head Married M 32 1849 Carman
Backton
Suffolk
COOPER, Annie Wife Married F 34 1847
Westbury
Wiltshire
COOPER, William J Son Single M 3 1878
Lambeth
Surrey
CHAMBERS, Walter Boarder Single M 21 1860 Carpenter
Nottingham
COOPER, Alfred Boarder Single M 21 1860 Wheelwright
Egham
Surrey
PICKETT, David Boarder Single M 22 1859 Bricklayer
Egham
Surrey

Robert was a 23 year old brewer. Ann's father was deceased. She was 26.

for reference -

Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
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Austin Ann Lambeth 1d 470
Cooper Robert Lambeth 1d 470

I am searching for details on Ann Austin born 1846 Westbury Wiltshire. Her father was John Austin according to her marriage records. She married a Robert Cooper in Lambeth. I think I may have found her in the 1851 census in the workhouse. I can not locate her in the 1891 or 1901 census. I believe Robert died in 1897. She had 4 children, Annie who I have located in 1901 but not 1891. Mabel who died in her first year, William who I can not find at all and Blanch AustIn Cooper who I can also find no trace for except for her birth record born 1882. All children were born in Lambeth Westminster. Robert was born in Bacton Suffolk
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