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Carol

Carol Report 23 Sep 2009 16:54

Hi out of the millions of people out there can anyone help?my cousin and myself are searching for any info on Walter James Smith born 1890 Shoreditch London.Was a printers labourer.His children were Elizabeth Rose,John Joseph.William,+Louisa,all but Elizabeth were sent to Australia.Where is Elizabeth?anyone out there do you know!!We have found all but what happened to Elizabeth and are at a full stop we look forward to any help.......Thankyou.

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 23 Sep 2009 17:08

1911

HOUSEHOLD SMITH WALTER JAMES M 1890 21 Lambeth London

HOUSEHOLD SMITH ELIZABETH ROSE F 1910 1 Lambeth London


specified with above two in household

HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOHN JOSEPH M 1911 1 MONTH Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD SMITH MARIA F 1891 20 Lambeth London


Cassy

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Sep 2009 17:12

Just in case she got sent to Canada instead (unlikely as that seems) I checked:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/index-e.html

There is a possible ...

Name: SMITH
Given Name: Elizabeth
Age: 15
Sex: F
Year of Arrival: 1924
Arrival Date: 1924
Party: Unaccompanied Children
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Reference: RG 76 Vol 217 File 91989, Documents from Immigration Branch, Central Registry Files
Microfilm: C-7368
Type of Record: Other Government of Canada records
Group of Children Traveling Together

But I would still think it unlikely.

What year were the other children sent to Australia?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Sep 2009 17:17

I would really recommend that you get her birth certificate if you don't have it.

Births Sep 1909
Smith Elizabeth Rose Lambeth 1d 305

That will give you here exact date of birth. Then, hoping that she / her informant of death knew it, you can search the GRO deaths index by given names and date of birth. It's searchable at Ancestry now 1984-2005 and Ancestry should soon have the searchable index 1916-1983 completed. Exact dates of birth started to be included in the index in about 1971.

It's sometimes possible to find a woman's death (or at least find a narrow field of candidates) this way, even without knowing her married surname. A marriage to match the surname of a candidate in the deaths index can then be searched for, etc.

For an idea, only two people named Elizabeth Rose born July 1909 are in the index 1984-2005.

And one of them is an Elizabeth Rose Smith.

Name: Elizabeth Rose Smith
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1989
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Canterbury
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 190

but of course odds are that she married and died under a different surname.

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 23 Sep 2009 17:17

Assuming she didn't marry

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
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Smith Elizabeth Rose Lambeth 1d 305



Name: Elizabeth Rose Smith
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1989
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Canterbury
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 190


A long shot with a name such as Smith!!


Cassy

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 23 Sep 2009 17:20

After Janey's advice just used 1909 as birth date

Name: Elizabeth Rose Archer
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1995
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register number: E69A
District and Subdistrict: 2561E
Entry number: 273


Cassy

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Sep 2009 17:23

Hee. I was editing to add that ERSmith death as I searched ... ;)

Wouldn't it be a coincidence ...

Elizabeth R Smith + John S Smith
Oct-Nov-Dec 1933 Maidstone Kent

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 23 Sep 2009 17:30

That marriage would fit in nicely with that Kent death!

Cassy

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Sep 2009 17:34

Wouldn't it just??

But then ... can you imagine searching for Smith-Smith births ...

I hope Carol takes the advice -- or maybe she knows ERS's birthdate already.

Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to search pre-1984 now, even "by hand" in the untranscribed images, assuming her death is under a married surname. But surely Ancestry won't be much longer with the pre-1984 index ...

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 23 Sep 2009 17:39

Yes I don't fancy looking for a Smith death pre 1984, even if she did die as a Smith married or not!!

I can't wait until Ancestry transcribes the records, can't come soon enough.

Hopefully Carol'll take your advice.

Cassy :-)

Carol

Carol Report 25 Sep 2009 13:46

i would like to say thanx to all who have sent replies to this search you have been a great help,this is all fairly new to me but exciting at the same time,i am sure i will have the leads i need now.This will encourage me in my search.Carol.