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Trying to find info on John Baylis Jones.

He appears in the 1851 census living with wife (Mary) daughter (Mary Knil) and two servants. He is described as "Gentleman".
He was born in St Dunstans in the East abt 1784.

I know he had two more children Susan and Samuel from other research and communications.

He seems to disappear in the 1861 census. I cannot find a death for him either. It should be easy with the extra middle name (Baylis), however if it was shortened to John Jones, then there are thousands of them !!

Any info much appreciated

Regards
Stuart

Hi Stuart,

It is quite possible he had died by 1861 remembering he was at least 67 in 1851. It's also possible his rellies just registered his death as John Jones!!

This is his birth & christening...

Birth: 07 FEB 1784
Christening: 07 MAR 1784 Saint Dunstan In The East, London, London, England
Parents:
Father: SAMUEL JONES Family
Mother: SUSANNAH

You mention finding other children via other serach methods, would you mind telling us what they were?

Tracey x

I believe this is your Mary Jones in 1861, she is listed as Widow...

JONES, Mary Head Widow F 68 1793 Annuitant & Fundholder Forston Herefordshire
JONES, Mary H Daughter Unmarried F 41 1820 Land Holder Camberwell Surrey
STERLING, Mary Servant Unmarried F 66 1795 House Servant Herefordshire
CHAPLIN, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 34 1827 House Servant Stisted Essex
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RG number:RG09 Piece:378 Folio:23 Page:42

Registration District:Camberwell Sub District:2 Camberwell EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish:St Giles

Civil Parish:St Giles Camberwell Municipal Borough: Address:Whitbourne Lodge, East Dulwich, St Giles Camberwell County:London, Surrey


So John Baylis Jones died between Apr 1851 and Apr 1861.

(silly me didn't bother checking the death as Stuart couldn't find it, lol, Tania well done!!)



Tracey x

Thanks to all for the replies.

Birth, Christening and Death info for John Baylis Jones is wonderful.
I wonder what he actually did with a description of "Gentleman" in the census ??

I suppose its too much to ask what his wife's maiden name was ??

Not sure that the Mary Jones that Wayne/Tracey found in the 1861 census is the widow of John Baylis Jones. The initials for the daughter Mary H do not fit with other info that I have.

I have children as a Susan Jones b 1817 Camberwell, d sep 1884, a Mary Knill Jones b 1820, Camberwell and a Samuel Jones b 1816, Camberwell.

My family relationship goes through Susan Jones who married an Alexander Cullen, Whitechapel, vol2, p469, Sep 1842.

I cannot find the source of my info at the moment but will keep looking.

Regards
Stuart

Wayne/Tracey,

Just had another look at the 1851 census. One of the servants to the Jones Household was a Mary Starling (age 57). Very close to your Mary Sterling.

You could be right with your find in the 1861 census for Mary Jones widow.

Regards
Stuart

Hi Stuart

Try not to read too much into initials etc, the H could well be a K on the image or looks like a H but is actually a K.

Same as the Starling/Sterling similarity.

I'll take a look and see what i can find out about the marriage

Tracey x

Slightly sideways...

But a relative maybe??

Name: Henry Baylis Jones
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Amy Maria Cott
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jul 1865
Parish: Saint Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Jones
Spouse Father Name: George Nathaniel Cott

My money would be on her surname being Knill... as given to the daughter of the same name.


Tracey x

Hi Tracey,

Thanks for the info.

Looks a problem with the date of Birth and date of Marriage. - both are 1865 in your message

Regards
Stuart

LOL

Thats the quality of Ancestry!!!

I think the transcriber has been confused by the full age thing, so he was over 21.



Tracey x

Hi Tracey,

Yeah! the info is never quite as accurate as you would like.

Just looked at Free BMD and there is a Henry Baylis Jones born Dec 1840, Stepney vol 2, page 435. There is a marriage for him Sep 1865. Mile End vol 1c, page 117. Amy Maria Cott appears on the same page, so looks like there is some correlation.

Any luck with John Baylis Jones' wifes maiden name ??

Regards
Stuart

Stuart,

Looks like there is a will for him on the National Archives maybe available for download.

annx

Hi Ann,

Thanks for the info.

I will check out and see what turns up.

I have also searched Google and there looks to be some sort of insurance paperwork from The Sun Fire Office held at the Guild Hall library ( closed for renovation at present, what luck !!)

Regards
Stuart

Yes I saw that as well, if you go directly to document on line and search "John Baylis Jones" it wont throw up millions of records, I applied for a donloaded will a few months ago and the quality was brilliant and quick as well.

Ann

Hi Ann,

Thanks. The will was there and I have downloaded.

Next chore is to read it. Eight pages of Victorian solicitors handwriting !!

I think it will take a month to get into readable form and understand all the terms and conditions

Thanks
Stuart

Right now i think there is most def a link between Henry Baylis JOnes and John Baylis Jones.... It's just finding it!!

John was baptised @ St Dunstan in 1784 and Henry @ St Dunstan in 1840.

Same name arrangement and same Baptism location??

Going to see what i can dig up!


Tracey x

Ok this is the marriage of the parents of John Baylis Jones...

SAMUEL JONES
Spouse: SUSANNAH BAYLIS
Marriage: 30 DEC 1781 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

John has a sibling too, Ceclia Jones Baptised in 1782.

I need to see if Henry Baylis Jones is a Granchild or even GGrandchild of the above couple.... it doesn't give you Mary maiden name, but fills your tree in a little more!

It's starting to irk at me now lol


Tracey x

Got them in 1841!

JONES, John M 55 1786 VIEW
JONES, Mary F 45 1796 VIEW
JONES, Samuel M 25 1816 Surrey VIEW
JONES, Susanna F 20 1821 Surrey VIEW
JONES, Mary F 20 1821 Surrey VIEW
REED, Thomas M 25 1816 VIEW
SOARLING, Mary F 45 1796 VIEW
BOWLEY, Margret F 20 1821 VIEW
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RG number:HO107 Piece:1050 Book/Folio:1/5 Page:2

Registration District:St Giles Camberwell Sub District:Camberwell EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:Camberwell Municipal Borough:Lambeth Address:Goose Green, Camberwell, Dulwich, East, Lambeth County:Surrey

Ok these are def yours... still no names for Mary! Grrr

MARY KNILL JONES
Birth: 02 SEP 1819
Christening: 12 NOV 1819 Peckham Hanover Chapel-Independent, Camberwell, Surrey, England
Father: JOHN BAYLIS JONES
Mother: MARY

SUSANNA JONES
Birth: 21 FEB 1817
Christening: 25 MAR 1817 Peckham Hanover Chapel-Independent, Camberwell, Surrey, England
Father: JOHN BAYLIS JONES Family
Mother: MARY

Looks like they moved from when they had Samuel...!

SAMUEL JONES
Birth: 31 JAN 1814
Christening: 03 MAR 1814 Kings Weight House Fish Street Hill-Independent, London, London, England
Father: JOHN BAYLIS JONES
Mother: MARY

So a marriage sometime around 1813/14 then?

Tracey x

There is this which is a bit off the wall. If Mary had 'dosh' is it possible that John 'Baylis' took her name??

The date is late too, after the children, but it might be worth a thought


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Baylis
Name: John Baylis
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Jones
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 28 Jul 1833
Parish: Saint Dunstan And All Saints
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets


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Ginny the only thing is the first child was born 1814!

Tracey x