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Martyn...Roebank Row Beith and Roebank Lochwinnoch obviously seem to run together but listed under different areas..Roebank Lochwinnoch being where Francis was living 1881

Martyn....Have found ?Elizabeth (b.1865 Beith) on 1881 Census boarder with the John Irvine family Roe Bank Row Beith..she is unmarried aged 17yrs and a Silk Block Printer

You don't need to order the certificates for births prior to 1908, marriages 1933 and deaths 1958. These can all be viewed online using the Scotlandspeople website. It is free to register at the site but you do need to buy credits to view search results and certificates. It does really work out quite cheap - if you get the correct entry first time it is only costing you £1.20 per certificate. With the information that you have you will probably get the correct one first time for the marriages and even the birth of Elizabeth. Neither Beith nor Lochwinnoch are particularly big places.


The beauty of using Scotlandspeople is no waiting! You find the entry and in less than 5 minutes you have all the details from the certificate.

When you get the birth certificate if you give the details on your thread here, then some of the Irish experts can point you in the right direction.

Regarding the religion bit for the marriages - in the first column of the certificate it will say something like "After publication according to the Forms of" followed by the name of the church eg. Church of Scotland, United Free Church of Scotland, Methodist Church etc

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction I found Francis' marriage records to Jane Lafferty 1886 & Martha McNeil 1880. Both marriages were presided over by Henry Glen (minister) & both state Francis parents were deceased. So can I assume they were presbytarian?.
Do I order the actual marriage certs from Scotland's people?, sorry to be a bit thick
Martyn

Another point, if you get his marriage certificates you will be able to tell his religion - it will say who married him ie Priest of Minister and the certificates also give the place that the marriage took place. Often, at that time the Minister came to either the home of the Bride or Groom and married them there.

If you go onto Scotlandspeople website (Www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) and get the birth certificate of Elizabeth in 1865, it will tell you the date and place of the parents' marriage. This should point you to where in Ireland they came from.

Credits for Scotlandspeople cost a mere £6 for 30 - 1 credit to view search results and 5 to view certificate. So if you're careful and with the information you have here you should be able to view 5 certificates for your £6! good value or what?

Martyn...You wont be able to get Isaac's Birth Cert per se as it was long before Civil Reg. the best you can hope for is the Baptism Record from the appropriate Church...you still havent said if we are looking at RC/Pres.

Erin
You really are a star, thankyou so much for all your help. One last thing, is it going to be difficult for me to get a hold of Isaac's birth cert as I don't know his date of birth of where abouts in Ireleand he was born?
regards
Martyn

Martyn...Have found the following 3 children born to Elza. and Francis...

William Robb. 10. September 1859. Kilwinning Ayrshire.

Herbert Derbyshire Robb. 6 August 1862. Kilwinning Ayrshire (Love that name!!)

Elizabeth Robb. 5 May 1865.Beith.

In the 1861, Eliza's POB is also given as Ireland - you might find Francis's marriage on the Irish marriage index on familysearch site - click on Search Records, Record Search Pilot, Browse Records, click on Europe on the map and scroll down to Ireland

Here are all the censuses for him:

1881 Scotland Census
Census & Voter Lists
PreviewName: Francis Robb
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 570
Registration district: Lochwinnoch
Civil parish: Lochwinnoch
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Roebank
Occupation: Curlingstone Maker
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 17
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_169
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Robb 41
Martha Robb 25
Andrew Douglass 12


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Name: Francis Robb
Spouse: Martha
Birth: abt 1840 - Ireland
Residence: Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire


1901 Scotland Census
Census & Voter Lists
Name: Francis Robb
Spouse: Jane
Birth: abt 1842 - Ireland
Residence: Beith, Beith, Ayrshire


1891 Scotland Census
Census & Voter Lists
Name: Francis Robb
Spouse: Jane
Birth: abt 1842 - Ireland
Residence: Beith, Beith, Ayrshire


1861 Scotland Census
Census & Voter Lists
Name: Francis Robb
Spouse: Eliza
Birth: abt 1836 - Ireland
Residence: Kilwinning, Ayrshire


1871 Scotland Census
Census & Voter Lists
Name: Francis Robb
Spouse: Elizabeth
Birth: abt 1835 - Ireland
Residence: Beith, Ayrshire

Hi Erin
I have a record of birth (nov 22nd 1880) for James son of Francis Robb it lists Francis occupation as a curlingstone maker & his wife Martha (nee McNeil). It says they were living at Knowhead, Beith, Ayshire at the time.
I also have a marriage record of Francis Robb to Martha McNeil 1880. It lists Francis as aged 40 (widower) & living in Roebank, Beith. It also lists his father Isaac Robb, a farmer as deceased & Mother Martha Robb also deceased.
I have a record of Francis death 10th Dec 1910 aged 71. It lists his 3 former wives Martha McNeil, Jeannie Lafferty & Elizabeth Hamilton. He died in Beith but there is no record of his parents. The death was reported by his son James of Lochwinnoch.
That's about all I have & I am unsure of what religion they were.
regards

Martyn....What other details do you have...eg.from MCs or Census for Francis..and was he RC/Presbyterian...

many thanks for all of your help & advice, I have the 1901 census for Francis Robb which says he was born in Ireland, i was just assuming his parents were also from Ireland

Martyn...You cant do desperation when searching for your Irish Ancestors...!!!!

The Robb surname was predominent in the Counties of the North mainly Antrim and Down with some distribution in the Co.s Tyrone and Monaghan...that being said there were some to be found in the Co.Limerick....however the McCabes were also found mainly in the North so I would initially focus on those areas in the absence of info.to the contrary..... I would also be looking at the Presbyterian Records unless you know them to be RC...Have you got the MC of Francis and Jane... ?

Irish records are sketchy . you need to know the information you seek before you can get records!and thats only if they are available and a lot are not. what is on Francis death cert? usually a relative reports the death..so that may be a lead. Are you sure about the 3 marriages? divorce was extortionate and rarely available then ...have you looked for the deaths of any of the women? again the informant details may help.. what was his occupation? do you know if he was ever in the forces...maybe an avenue to look at? unfortunately you can only start from what you know and work backwards. good luck

okay I'm getting desperate now, would anyone be able to give me any pointers in the best way to trace these ancestors
regards
Martyn

Hi I am trying to find details of my ancestors Issac Robb & Francis Robb. I know Isaac was born in Ireland c1820 & married Martha McCabe c1820 & they had a son Francis born in 1840 also in Ireland. He died in Scotland in 1910. He was married to Jane lafferty, Elizabeth Hamilton & Martha McNeil.
I would love to know where about's exactly Isaac & Francis were born or any other info relating to them
regards