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Can you help please?? George Grundy married Alice Mitchinson in 1901 but who is George? Where did he come from? So many George Grundy's I am connfused. He was born c1869 have Alice's family now need dear George's. Am away on holiday next week so not enough time to get marriage certificate till October, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction? Believe they married in or around Leigh, Lancashire. Thank you in advance

Did he really marry when he was 13?

Have you looked at the 1911 census? When was Alice born and where?

Rose

1911


Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD GRUNDY AILEEN MITCHINSON F 1906 5 Leigh Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD GRUNDY ALICE F 1875 36 Leigh Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD GRUNDY GEORGE M 1875 36 Leigh Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD GRUNDY GEORGE HECTOR M 1903 8 Leigh Lancashire


If you purchase credits you can see where he was born.

Rose

1901 poss

Name: George Grundy
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Leigh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Leigh
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
James Grundy 56 Astley, Lancashire - Colliery manager above ground
Ann Grundy 60
George Grundy 26 Machincal engineer agra ???
Sarah Grundy 24
Alice Grundy 20
Lucy Grundy 80
William Hampton 29
Lucy Hampton 22
Mabel Hampton 6 months

Class: RG13; Piece: 3589; Folio: 113; Page: 21


BUT you need the marriage cert to confirm his occupation and the name & occupation of his father

This is a possible for George but you need the marriage cert to confirm his father.



1901 England Census
about George Grundy
Name: George Grundy
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Leigh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Leigh
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
James Grundy 56
Ann Grundy 60
George Grundy 26
Sarah Grundy 24
Alice Grundy 20
Lucy Grundy 80 mother of James
William Hampton 29 son in law
Lucy Hampton 22 daug of James
Mabel Hampton 6 months

Christine

Hi Audrey their marriage info is on Lancashire BMD website at Westleigh St Paul, Wigan & Leigh, 1901. Births and deaths on there also.


Try to find them on the 1901 census and work from there.

Regards
Shirley

You will note I can't add up LOL He was born c1869, I believe he was a engineer and preceeded my father at Butts Mill (not confirmed). He was married at Westleigh St Paul and appears on Lancashire bmd as being married in 1901 which ties up with the birth of my father and aunt.

Rose has found them on the 1911 Census - thank you Rose, where do I find the 1911 Census

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

Free to search but costs credits to view

10 credits for a household schedule and 30 credits for census image

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message from Audrey


Back to Gr Grandfather now in 1817 (another George) ran a pub "Cart and Horses" Culcheth

possible connection

George Grundy Compact Disc #96 Pin #792638 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 1735

Bury, Lancashire Co, England
Death: Apr 1784

Jefferson Co, KY

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Elizabeth Burkham\Beckham Disc #96 Pin #792639
Marriage: 3 Oct 1749
Lancashire, England


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Notes and Sources
Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 96
Sources: None

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Submitter
Clarene ADAMS



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Another important employer in Tyldesley was Grundy's Foundry. Its founder was John Grundy a local shop keeper. His idea was a warm air heating system to heat churches and halls. He built a foundry close to the railway in Lower Elliot Street.[41]

Have traced a lot back on my grandmothers, mothers side but problems with grandfathers line. I know they married in 1901 (sounce www.lancashirebdm.org.uk - George Grundy (c1888) and Alice Mitchinson (1888) other than buying a copy of the marraige certificate to get the name of his father and the address can you suggest anything? They were married in either Leigh or Wigan, think the former.
Thanks to you all

John Grundy (1807 - 1879) was a Grocer and Flour Dealer who lived in Elliott Street, Tyldesley, near Manchester. He attended the congregation of Top Chapel where he was a Churchwarden and was most concerned at the discomfort he felt during the winter, in both the Shop and Chapel. So he set about resolving the problem and overcome this discomfort, and after some time came up with an idea. He asked permission to carry out an experiment in heating the Chapel by using the schoolroom conveniently-sited below the Chapel. He erected a central heating apparatus by using a stove, flues, chimney and ventilators and succeeded in warming the Chapel.

To manufacture and market the central heating apparatus the company John Grundy Ltd was established in 1857 with an address in Lower Elliott Street Tyldesley. To secure the success of the heating apparatus he applied for and was granted Patent, BP 2949 in 1864. He continued to improve upon the heating apparatus, increasing its efficiency and effectiveness, and additional Patents were taken out in later years.



John Grundy died in Tyldesley on 20th March 1879 his second wife Ann having died 2 months previously in January. A monument dedicated to John Grundy and members of his family is sited at the entrance to Top Chapel in the graveyard with an inscription noting his achievement for inventing a method of heating for the Chapel.






John Grundy (1844 - 1913) was the first son born to John and Ann Grundy. By the age of 17 in 1861 he had joined his parents in their shop, also working as a Grocer. However even with the establishment of the heating firm both John snr and John jnr continued to keep their old occupations, as the census of 1871 still lists both of them as flour dealers.

By the 1870's the firm had become a successful business which was changing the fortunes for him and his family. It is possible that John jnr decided the future direction and expansion for the firm should be concentrated in London. He married a Welsh girl Mary Davies from Brynmawr Breconshire in 1878. The census of 1881 shows that he has moved south with his family to a larger residence in Hackney London where their four children Annie, Herbert, Florence and Hilda were born.


They moved house again later in the 1880's into a more fashionable area residing at 30 Duncan Terrace, City Road, Islington London. This became his Head Office from where he controlled and operated his greatly expanded business.


Now calling himself a Heating and Ventilating Engineer, the firm opened new show rooms and work rooms at Torrens Street Islington, also 393a City Road London, and a West End branch was opened at 57 Wigmore Street Cavendish Square.

The Grundy warm air stove heating apparatus proved a great success and was installed in several Cathedrals, and numerous Churches and Chapels throughout the country. To handle the increasing demand for this heating apparatus an iron foundry and works was built in Parr Street Tyldesley in 1886. The foundry gave the firm the ability to produce a greater range of heating equipment which now included such items as Ward Stoves, Fire-grates, cast iron pipes, fittings, radiators, ventilators and ranges.


John Grundy Ltd became the manufacturer and patentee of :-

"Helios" (ref2) and "Sirius" smoke consuming grates for chimney pieces.
"Hestia" (ref1) slow and quick combustion portable warming and ventilating stoves.
"Calorifier" and "Grundy" smoke consuming central fresh warmed air heating apparatus for Public Buildings and Private Dwellings.


Confirmation that his business was now very successful is apparent by the presentation of 27 Medals awarded to the firm at various exhibitions and also the numerous testimonials written to him by satisfied Clients and Customers after the installation of his heating and ventilating apparatus in their building/s. From the first stoves erected in Churches, the type of buildings they now heated had expanded substantially to include Public Schools, Mansion Houses, Hospitals, Law Courts, Factories, Warehouses, Workhouses and Institutions.


He died at his home Mountfield, Wood Lane, Highgate, London on 27th April 1913. In his will he left the significant sum of £23,739 to his three survivng children.



The trade names given to the firm's various heaters are either taken from Greek mythology or star signs. Someone in the firm was very knowledgeable and interested in the Greek Classics.

ref 1.- Hestia in Greek religion, is goddess of the hearth, daughter of Cronus and Rhea, and one of the 12 Olympian deities. In later philosophy Hestia became the hearth goddess of the universe.

ref 2. - Helios is the young Greek god of the sun, and the son of Hyperion and Theia. By the Oceanid Perse, he became the father of Aeëtes, Circe, and Pasiphae. Helios was worshipped in various places of the Peloponnesos, but especially on Rhodes, where each year gymnastic games were held in his honour.


John Grundy jnr from his humble start in life proved he was a person with a vision. He saw the opportunity following the invention of the warm air stove, to continue in business in the Heating & Ventilating industry, and went on to create and Patent other inventions providing a lifetime of achievements. His business of manufacturing different items of heating equipment proved very successful with hundreds of his stoves being erected, one as far away as the Falkland Islands, and the fact that some of his stoves are today still heating their original buildings is a tribute to his engineering design and craftsmanship. He was a true Victorian entrepreneur, and made an important contribution to the H&V industry. When the Institution of Heating Ventilating Engineers was incorporated in 1897 John Grundy jnr was considered a worthy engineer and candidate and was elected to become its first president in 1898.

Hi Audrey,

At the beginning of the thread you were given what is probably them in 1911 and then a possible for George in 1901 going by the age in 1911.

Ypou keep changing his birth year.

The only sure way to find if you have the correct one is the marraige cert and to view the 1911 census.

Christine

Thank you all for the incredible amount of information and I am sorry for submitting the incorrect birth year for my grandfather GEORGE GRUNDY (1875) it appears that without at this moment checking marraige certificate (as I am leaving for 2 weeks in Cornwall shortly and the Leigh & Wigan Registry office don't take payment over the phone, that his father was James Grundy who appears to have been a colliery manager and his wife Ann Lee, they married at St Stephens Astley in 1873 and George has "Mechanical Engineer" beside his name in he census. He appears to have been the only male and had Sarah 24, Alice 20, Lucy 22 (she was married to William Hampton who was 7 years her senior and had a daughter Mabel. George was 26 . I have got back to George Grundy 1817 who in 1871 was Inkeeper of Cart and Horses, Town Lane, Culcheth (does anyone know where to obtain a picture of pub if available? He and his wife Lucy had been silk weavers earlier in 1861. That is where I am at the moment (my head is getting fuddled) brain has not worked so hard in ages!!
I wonder if this John Grundy who invented heating is related to my fathers line and if so where?
Once again thank you all.