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Hi Pam, to add further to Mary Ann's past.
also found in the conduct registry.

Mary Ann's court case was held in Surrey 7th June 1830.

maybe there is something in the Surrey marriage mentioned earlier..

her crime was .....Obtaining money under false pretences.
the record is very hard to read, but enlarged you can work most words out.


If you have access to the Tasmanian convict list. (how did you find out about the bonnets ???)
you would find on the left hand side of Mary Ann Brathwaite's name
her number..press that, and you will find the different archives digitised to look at. they take a long time to go through, but that is how we research.



if you need any help with the Tasmanian convict lists, let me know...I will do what I can.

kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Mackay Qld

You still have not said if you have the document I told you about.
When I posted it you said
"I have all that"
but I feel that would tell us so much more.
If You have it then please tell us what it says. It may hold important clues.

All the others are too early or up north. This would certainly be the first to look at although he may have travelled.

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Marriage: 06 JUL 1824 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England



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Hi, have just found Mary Ann's husband's name
from the conduct register...1st Jan 1803-31st Dec 1843.
husband is Thos Brathwaite.



kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Mackay Qld

when my husband goes fishing later today, I will be able to spend a few more hours on the convict records in Tasmania.

Lorraine posted

Hi Pamela,
............................
Mary Ann was married with one child before transportation.
Mary Ann is also in convict descriptions....page 12 number 203.
I haven't found anything on her leaving Tasmania or a death in the names Brathwaite or Braithwaite.


So Braithwaite/Brathwaite was possibly/probably her MARRIED name then .................. so we should be looking to see if we can find a marriage between a Mary Ann and a Braithwaite aorund 1820 to 1830.



sylvia

I looked at the Criminal Record for Mary Ann Brathwaite, and the only additional information that Jonesey did not give was that she was sentenced to 7 years



sylvia

Hello again, Pam.

It's not likely that anyone reading here *has* personal information about Mary Ann, you know? Research is what's needed, and what we here were attempting to help with.

The James Brathwaite I noted in the 1841 census looks like a candidate for being a brother, simply because he was the only Brathwaite in Surrey and was of a similar age. The idea is that if you could find out something about him, you might be able to determine whether there was a connection between them.

I couldn't find him in a subsequent census to determine where he was born -- from 1851 onward, people reported their place of birth; in 1841 it was only in or out of the county where they were residing, or Ireland, Scotland or foreign parts.

Do you have the item that Christine found? -- Christine was quoting from the website she linked to:

http://www.pastfinders.net/unclaimedconvictsb3.htm

Mary Ann Braithwaite
Date Tried: Surrey Quarter Sessions, June 1830
Source: Newspaper report - approx 250 words, giving good detail of offence
Price: £18
Reference Nos: UC4050

That would likely tell you *where* in Surrey she was sentenced, assuming that was her. You would have to order that info yourself.


Oh, I see I got fixated on the BRATHWAITE spelling because that's what one of the records cited says:

Name: Mary Ann Brathwaite
Date of Trial: Easter 1830
Trial Year: 1830
Location of Trial: Surrey, England
Sentence: Transportation
Crime: Larceny

Jonesey presumably found that in the convicts index at Ancestry - ? There are images associated that can be viewed and should show the exact location, I would think.

There are also several Braithwait(e)s in Surrey in 1841. (where no county of birth shown, it was not Surrey)

Martha Braithwait abt 1771 St Mary Newington, Surrey
Mary Braithwait abt 1791 St Mary Newington, Surrey

William Braithwait abt 1806 Surrey, England Leatherhead, Surrey

Merian Braithwaite abt 1796 Lambeth, Surrey

Charles Braithwaite abt 1822 Surrey, England St Mary, Surrey

Thoms Braithwaite abt 1828 Richmond, Surrey

William Brishwrite [William Braithwaite] abt 1814 Newington, Surrey


That last one has a correction to the mistranscription, by an Ancestry user. The user has not added any notes with the correction, but s/he can be contacted through the Ancestry system. For all we know, that person could be a child of your Mary Ann, so it might be worth contacting. The user could also have been simply searching for all possible Braithwaite mistranscriptions and correcting them, as I have done with several of my surnames. But -- s/he is in Surrey and seems to be a very active researcher, and offers help to other members:

http://community.ancestry.co.uk/profile.aspx?cba=lwsprice81

Thank you for the tip. I am looking for personal info about Mary Ann Braithwaite. She was transported to Van Diemans Land (now Tasmania) in 1831 when she was about 45 years of age. She was transported on the ship "America" and left Downs in January1831.
Any more information has been given above
Thank you to all who have helped me
Pam

There is one Brathwaite in Surrey in 1841:

Name: John Brathwaite
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
[not born in county]

Civil parish: Battersea
Hundred: Brixton (Western Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea

John Brathwaite 45
Elizabeth Brathwaite 45


He could possibly be a sibling - could be born as early as 1791 and show as 1796 in the census because of rounding down of ages.


For future ref, Pamela, it is best to say what info you do have, to save people going on goose chases for things you already know.

Thank you to all. I am amazed at the speed you have all come back to me. I am a bit slow at computers and scared stiff I push the wrong button. Roses from the Heart project will be very pleased to add to their information when I get my bonnet finished.
Many thanks
Pam

Hi Pamela,
Mary ann is under Brathwaite in the Archives of Tasmania.
there is some info about her.
you knew she was at the Cascades Female Factory.
Mary Ann was married with one child before transportation.
Mary Ann is also in convict descriptions....page 12 number 203.
I haven't found anything on her leaving Tasmania or a death in the names Brathwaite or Braithwaite.
I will e-mail if I find anything else.
kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Mackay Qld

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1167741

This is a thread with some offering to do lookups on Ancestry criminal records.

I have not found anything in Tasmania yet.

pm received

Thank you Christine, I have this info. I would like info on her. Where she was from, was she married did she have children what was her crime? As she is not my family I do not have a starting point.
I have found Downs. It is/was a safe anchorage protected by the Goodwin sands in the English Channel.


Please post on the messae board by clicking on the purple reply button.

I have spent some time looking for her but the records for that ship have not been transcribed yet. Did you find the link about female convicts and their conditions on arrival interesting?

Are you also telling me you have the newspaper report about her crime?

http://www.pastfinders.net/unclaimedconvictsb3.htm

We hold some details on file for the following transported convicts. This information is chargeable - prices are quoted by each name. To order, please email us, quoting the reference number of the convict you are interested in.

Mary Ann Braithwaite
Date Tried: Surrey Quarter Sessions, June 1830
Source: Newspaper report - approx 250 words, giving good detail of offence
Price: £18
Reference Nos: UC4050

BRAITHWAITE, MARY ANN America (2) police number 203 age 45

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/confem.html

America (2)
arrived 09 05 1831
port VDL
left 06 01 1831
from Downs
journey time 123 days
female convicts embarked 189
female convicts arrived 186

Please has anyone come across Mary Ann Braithwaite, transported to Tasmania on The ship America 2 in 1831 aged about 45years. I have adopted her as part of the project "Roses from the Heart" (www.femalefactory.com.au). The ship sailed from Downs (any suggestions were that is?). I have no more knowledge of her as she is not part of my family. I have a Mary Ann Braithwaite but she died in the flu epidemic of 1918 and I know her details. It seems to have been a common name in the 1700