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Wow it seems she was married before then. No one seems to have known this. The aunt did say tonight that James had been married before , but not Elizabeth. Maybe it was actually Elizabeth then?? You know how stories get muddled through the years?

Looks like!

Best idea seems to be to order up the birth cert for the birth June found. That should tell you her mother's name. Also the Neville+Bartlett marriage certificate, to make sure Eliza Neville = Eliza Smith.

And then come on back here and tell us the results!

Elizabeth had a sister called Mariah. I dont know if younger or older.

I certainly will. I am also going to a family party next month and there is someone who is a grandson of one of Evas brothers going, so I will ask him. Apparently, his grandad passed on a lot of old papers etc, so I will try and collar him. Thanks Ladies, a gold star to you all.

Well, I wonder about this household.


1861

Abraham Smith 41
Maria Smith 37
Henry Smith 13
> Maria Smith 11
Rebecah Smith 10
Abraham Smith 8
Lucy Smith 6
Joseph Smith 4
Hannah Smith 3


1871

Abraham Smith 54 - widower
Maria Smith 21
Abraham Smith 18
Joseph Smith 15
Hannah Smith 12
William Smith 8
James Smith 5
> Eliza Smith 3

Civil parish: Roxwell


I don't know the geography well enough ...

No German-born, though.

But hm, this one seems to match the birthplace of the Neville in 1891:


1871

Name: Eliza Ann Smith
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Inmate
Where born: Halstead, Essex, England
Civil parish: Halstead
ED, institution, or vessel: Halstead Union Workhouse

Mary Ann Smith 36
Emma Smith 13
Eliza Ann Smith 3


Too many. ;)

You're very welcome, and do post the answers when they come!

this might be worth looking at but elizabeths age is wrong

1881

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Halstead, Essex, England

Civil parish: Halstead
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Tylers Yard
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Halstead
Sub-registration district: Halstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 45
Mary A. Smith 41
Robert Rayner 19
Charles Rayner 16
Louesia Rayner 15
Arther Smith 13
Elizabeth Smith 11
Ada Smith 7
*********Mariah Smith 4
John Smith 1




rayners are all stepchildren so mother smith has died



June x

But mother was Mary Ann all the same. ;)

1871

John Smith 38
Mary Ann Smith 25 - born Halstead
Eliza Smith 11
Robert Smith 8
Charles Smith 6
Louisa Smith 5
Arthur Smith 3
> Elizabeth Smith 16 months

look at the age of Mary ann on 1871

Uh huh. I did.

Mary Ann -- a different Mary Ann -- but *Mary Ann all the same*.

;)

Teresa - now that I've figured out what your PM was about and found the thread in question back on page 3 of "My Threads", I'm just gonna reply here. ;)

Teresa has received docs confirming the previous marriage we found, and says thanks.

You're welcome!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1175559