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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 16:47 |
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Hi. I believe the 1911 census can now be accessed for free in some Records Offices etc. Manchester being one. If anyone happens to be at one of these places could they please look for;
Eliza Gouldbourne b.1892 Age 19. Liverpool district Lancashire.
I have found the index entry for her and would love details of address and others at that property. I think I have been going down the wrong family for a while so this may just be the lead I need.
My Eliza married Patrick Dunn in 1913 but I get the feeling this name is easily mis-spelt.
Thanks (hopefully) in advance. Jac.
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LiverBird1
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27 Aug 2009 16:53 |
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HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE ELIZA F 1892 19 Liverpool Lancashire
specified with Eliza in the household
HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE JOHN M 1894 17 Liverpool Lancashire HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE KIRLLINA F 1907 4 Liverpool Lancashire HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE MARY F 1911 1 MONTH Liverpool Lancashire HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE ROBERT M 1872 39 Liverpool Lancashire HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE SARAH ANN F 1874 37 Liverpool Lancashire HOUSEHOLD GOULDBOURNE SARAH ANN F 1896 15 Liverpool Lancashire
Cassy
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Looks like her in 1901
Name: Eliza Goldburn Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Albans County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>11 Eldon St
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Ann Goldburn 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>?? in cotton warehouse, Husband in Jail! Eliza Goldburn 9 John Goldburn 7 Sarah Ann Goldburn 5
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3410; Folio: 143; Page: 1.
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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 16:59 |
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Oh thank you for that. I wasn't expecting such a speedy reply. I am very sad though as I was so sure this was my Eliza but she said on marriage cert that dad was John. Thank you again for your kind help. Jac
Address in August 1913 - 23 Alexander Pope Street Liverpool but obviously may have moved in between.
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WayneTracey
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27 Aug 2009 17:23 |
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JacD
The Leech family are living at 23 Alexander Pope St Liverpool in 1911....
I shall have a look for your family.
What other details do you have?
Do you have any info on where Patrick Dunn was living and whom his father was? It maybe they were close to each other or even lodging together before marriage!
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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 17:32 |
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Hi. According to the marriage cert 1913 Patrick Dunn was living at 64 Limekiln Lane and age 22 - Mariner. Dad was Joseph Dunn Deceased General Labourer.
Eliza was down as a Tin Box Maker!! Her dad was a Carter.
You lose your way so easy with these more common / different spelling names!!!!!!
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WayneTracey
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27 Aug 2009 17:37 |
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Well here's your Patrick!
DUNN, JOSEPH HEAD MARRIED 7 M 26 LIGHT PORTER LICENSE LANCS LIVERPOOL DUNN, MARY JANE WIFE MARRIED 7 F 28 LANCS LIVERPOOL DUNN, JOHN SON M 5 LANCS LIVERPOOL DUNN, DAVID SON M 3 LANCS LIVERPOOL DUNN, ELIZABETH DAUGHTER F 1 LANCS LIVERPOOL DUNN, PATRICK BROTHER SINGLE M 20 CARTER GENERAL LANCS LIVERPOOL
(RG14PN22140 RG78PN1311 RD453 SD1 ED24 SN44)
Address 74 LIMEKILN LANE LIVERPOOL County Lancashire District Liverpool Subdistrict Scotland Enumeration District 24 Parish Liverpool
His address was slightly different
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WayneTracey
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27 Aug 2009 17:42 |
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That is def your Eliza that Liverbird found you!!
GOULDBOURNE, ROBERT HEAD MARRIED M 39 CARTER LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 20 F 37 LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, SARAH ANN DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 TIN BOX MAKER LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, ELIZA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 TIN BOX MAKER LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, KIRLLINA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, MARY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 MONTH LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE GOULDBOURNE, JOHN SON SINGLE M 17 GENERAL LABOURER LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE
13A LACE ST LIVERPOOL County Lancashire District Liverpool Subdistrict Exchange Enumeration District 16 Parish Liverpool
(RG14PN22165 RG78PN1312 RD453 SD2 ED16 SN302)
Maybe she knew her father by the name John? Maybe John was his middle name?
Her occupation and her fathers occupation is correct....
I would stick my neck out and suggest she's gotten her father names wrong, it happens....alot!
Tracey x
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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 17:42 |
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Oh good. Looking promising because I had my Patrick with a brother Joseph in 1901 (I hoped anyway) and my Patrick's grandson is David so a family name appearing. Thank you so much.
And oh good to the 2nd bit about Eliza. I hate it when that happens but it seems to be designed to throw us off the scent!!!! Jac
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WayneTracey
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27 Aug 2009 17:46 |
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Trust me if it wasn't like that sometime life would be very very boring... and also give you nothing to post about!
Now you have some data you can more accurately go backwards in your hunt for them....
The Lancs OPC might also be a good place for you to look, their overall search engine is down at the min, but you can still search through all the churches to try and find their baptism records!
Happy Hunting
Tracey x
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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 17:49 |
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Thank you people!!!!!!!!!!!
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LiverBird1
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27 Aug 2009 18:54 |
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poss birth for Kirllina
Births Dec 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOULDBOURNE Christina Liverpool 8b 73
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LiverBird1
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27 Aug 2009 18:58 |
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??????????
Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clayton Minnie Liverpool 8b 73 Cowin Robert James Liverpool 8b 73 >>>>>>>>>>Gouldbourne John Liverpool 8b 73 >>>>>>>>>>Hooton Sarah Ann Liverpool 8b 73
poss marriage for dau Sarah
Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bates Ann Murphy Liverpool 8b 178 >>>>>>>>>>Connor Michael Gouldbourne Liverpool 8b 178 >>>>>>>>>>Gouldbourne Sarah A Connor Liverpool 8b 178 Maguire Sarah Taylor Liverpool 8b 178 Murphy William Bates Liverpool 8b 178
marriage for dau
Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>Gouldbourne Christina Kearns Liverpool 8b 332 >>>>>>>Kearns Thomas Gouldbourne Liverpool 8b 332 MacKay Catherine Martin Liverpool 8b 332 Martin William Mackay Liverpool 8b 332
poss marriage for son
Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Egeland Anna Olson Liverpool 8b 151 >>>>>>>>>>Gouldbourne John McLoughlin Liverpool 8b 151 >>>>>>>McLoughlin Mary [F_] Gouldbourne Liverpool 8b 151 Olsen Hans Egeland Liverpool 8b 151
birth
Births Dec 1910 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOULDBOURNE Mary A Liverpool 8b 52
poss marriage for dau
Marriages Sep 1935 (99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CATTRALL Joseph C Nixon Liverpool S 8b 351 >>>>>>>>Gouldbourne Mary A Hein Liverpool S 8b 351 >>>>>>>>>Hein John Gouldbourne Liverpool S. 8b 351 Moss Hilda A Tomlinson Liverpool S. 8b 351 Nixon Edith M Cattrall Liverpool S. 8b 351
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27 Aug 2009 19:10 |
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I would say this is Christina ( Krillina)
Births Dec 1907 GOULDBOURNE Christina Liverpool 8b 73 GOULDBOURNE Winifred Liverpool 8b 73
Looks like she was a twin, but the sister did not survive.
Deaths Dec 1907 Gouldbourne Winifred 0 Liverpool 8b 48
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LiverBird1
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27 Aug 2009 21:28 |
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Well spotted Tracey!
I need new eyes, so busy looking for Christina missed that!
Cassy
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JacD
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27 Aug 2009 22:03 |
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To Cassy and Tracey - Love your work!! I bow to your expertise!!! Jac
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LiverBird1
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27 Aug 2009 22:11 |
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This is John ( Robert ) in 1891
Name: John Gouldburn Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>9 Ho, 1 Crt, Couss??? St
Occupation:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Carter
Condition as to marriage:>>>>>>>>>>>>>Married
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Gouldburn 20 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2921; Folio 9; Page 12; GSU roll: 6098031.
On the index it's just him, but on the image there's these
Name: Sarah A Gouldburn Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Married Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:>>>>>>>>>>>9 Ho, 1 Crt, Couss??? St
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:>>>>>>>>>>>>Married
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sarah A Gouldburn 20 Bridget Hooton 40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Lodger, widow, ?? housekeeper Mary E Hooton 17 George Hooton 13 Bridget Hooton 7 William Hooton 5 All the Hooton are down as lodgers Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2921; Folio 9; Page 12; GSU roll: 6098031.
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27 Aug 2009 22:20 |
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2 possibles for 1881, 1 with father Robert!
Name: John Goldburn Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Lodger Son (Lodger's Son) Father's Name: Robert Mother's Name: Isabella Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 11 Westmoreland St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Dale Street ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Catherine Mc Cartey 34 William Mc Cartey 7 Catherine Mc Cartey 2 Robert Goldburn 32 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>born L'pool, Dock Porter Isabella Goldburn 30 John Goldburn 9 Robert Goldburn 7 Edward Goldburn 1 Mark Athermor 5 Joseph Athermor 3 John Fagan 26 Catherine Fagan 22 Ann Fagan 2 Robert Green 41 Sarah Green 31 Mary A. Green 7 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3611; Folio: 51; Page: 17; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341865.
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Name: John Gouldbourne Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 8 Houses Ellenborough St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Gouldbourne 76 Martha Gouldbourne 33 >>>>>>>>>dau unmarr Annie Gouldbourne 74 John Gouldbourne 10 James Mountford 30 >>>>>>>>>>>>Boarder very old "parents" maybe their unmarried dau is the mother??
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 108; Page: 27; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341861.
Don't know about expertise on my behalf just lucky guess'!!
Cassy
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