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thanks Mary, thats me.......added all the information everyone had kindly given me then found loads more on IGI!!!!!

tree on ancestry by DSMiller is it you?

Moses 1821 -1865 married to ellen maden born 1822 it has the stow family including ellen 1852 going way way back.

Maryb

Registration did not become compulsory until 1875 so you may never find it . IGI has no baptism either

can anyone help me find Ellen Stows birth certificate c1852

Can´t find a death for Moses Stow, perhaps he left and that´s why he is left off the marriage cert.

1851

Name: Moses Stow
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation: Gardener

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 141
Household Members:
Name Age

Moses Stow 29
Ellen Stow 26
James Stow 6
Mary A Stow 1
Ivanna Briscole 12

Blossom..........that record of blank girl Stow born Camberwell 1852 must be the one I have but is the same code as Hermina Lydia Stow..

Thanks everyone again, you all make it seem so easy!!!

Food for thought!

My Husbands grandfather was married, died and registered on all his childrens birth and marriage certificates as James, even in the Census's, his birth name was actually Nathan but never ever used it......

thanks everyone.........looks like the certificate is a red herring!!!!!!! It makes sense with the Hermina Stow born Camberwell 1852........someone in the family had got the wrong one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poss marriage:

Marriages Sep 1844 Newington 4 395

MADEN Ellen
STOW Moses

I'm assuming that this is Hermina Lydia in 1871 as the mother seems correct (Hermina G):


1871 England Census
about Lidia H Stow
Name: Lidia H Stow
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Hermina G
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members:
Name Age
Hermina G Stow 45
William W Stow 20
Lidia H Stow 19
Edith Stow 18
Arthur A Stow 16
Ethel M Stow 12
Caroline Raymond 25

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1861

Name: Ellen Stow
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Moses
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members:
Name Age

Moses Stow 38
Ellen Stow 37 Laundress
James Stow 16
Ellen Stow 9
Jane Wooler 27
Susannah Wooler 4 Mo

Or is this the one?

Births Dec 1852 (99%)
STOW Arthur Peel Islington 1b 201 Scan available - click to view
STOW Caroline Emma St Luke 1b 520 Scan available - click to view
STOW Edward Sculcoates 9d 116 Scan available - click to view
STOW Elizabeth St Pancras 1b 135 Scan available - click to view
STOW Fanny Bromley 2a 199 Scan available - click to view
STOW Fred Sheffield 9c * Scan available - click to view
STOW George Poyser Burton 6b * Scan available - click to view
STOW Harriett Chipping N. * * Scan available - click to view
STOW Henry Halifax * * Scan available - click to view
STOW Martha Maria W Hampnett 2b 302 Scan available - click to view
STOW Mary Ann Glanford B 7a 583 Scan available - click to view
STOW Thomas William Camberwell 1d 428 Scan available - click to view
STOW William Stow on Wold 6a 322 Scan available - click to view
STOW William George Hackney 1b 254 Scan available - click to view
STOW Female Camberwell 1d 417 Scan available - click to view>>>>>>>>>

Found this - is this the Girl?

Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
Stow Charles George Chelsea 1a 154 Scan available - click to view
Stow Elizabeth Gainsborough 7a 625 Scan available - click to view
Stow Harry Vane Lambeth 1d 338 Scan available - click to viewAdditional information available - click on Info button
Stow Harry John Greenwich 1d 540
Stow Henry John Greenwich 1d 540 Scan available - click to view
Stow Hermina Lydia Camberwell 1d 417 Scan available - click to view >>>>>>>

Have you backtracked Ellen Stow snr and jnr on the earlier census?

1871

Name: Ellen Stow
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members:
Name Age

Ellen Stow 49 Ireland, County Cork, Laundress, Widow
Ellen Stow 19

Just checked out the marriage for William C Stow and Hermina, it was in Totnes, Devon? maybe someone some time back had ordered the certificate when trying to do the family tree also and just kept it, as it seems they too were looking for Ellen's birth.

There's a few reasons for not putting hte fathers name down,
(1)mother not married so never had a father
(2) Adopted even within family members
(3) abandonded as a baby and bought up in childrens home, a bit like Oliver twist??


Who were the witnesses at the marriage, maybe a family member?

Please can anyone help me sort out the mystery - I will try and explain all of the information that I have:

I was tracing back from the birth of John Patrick Nicholas Miller born 1877 Newington. His birth certificate has his parents as Richard Miller and Ellen Stow
So now I have started my search on Ellen Stow. She married Richard Miller in 1872 Ealing (she is under the name Helena Stow which is an error). It states that she is 20 years old which puts her birth at 1852. There is no fathers name on the marriage certificate.
Now the confusing part, passed down the family are some old certificates. We have found a blank birth certificate of someone who I assume is Ellen. There is no name on it but does state Girl, born Dec 1852 Camberwell to parents William Crawford Stow and Hermina Georgiana Stow formerly Waller.
However on the 1881 cenus (Ellen Miller is a widow) and is with son John Miller, she is a servant BUT head of house is an Ellen Stow - it says that she is grandmother to the children making Ellen Stow the mother of Ellen and not Hermina............any ideas anyone!!!