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As I said yesterday I think that would be the best thing to do. If Honora's mothers maiden name is O'Shea then you will know that was the right marriage. If it is not then we have to look for another marriage.

You did mention yesterday that you thought Margaret's surname could have been Collins, that too is an Irish surname as I have a relly born in Ireland with that surname.

Mel, thanks for your all your help. I am seeing them this morning so will suggest they invest in a couple of certificates to help establish more information. Honora's birth and then maybe her parents' marriage. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Hon birth will tell you the mothers maiden name if your friend buys the cert from the GRO index should cost £7

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Honora Buckley
Name: Honora Buckley
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Woolwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1119

I can see a marriage of John Frederick Buckley in 1894 to Anne Cannons, but no death between 1891 and 1894 for Margaret Buckley. Not a bigamous marriage please!

Thanks Ninjalady, a second marriage is always a possibility, so will check that idea out i think.

Sorry Mel, too much information for my poor brain to digest at once!! But O'Shea sounds like a good old Irish name for Margaret.

I have already put up a marriage to Margaret O'Shea on my first posting!!

I think the John Buckley with wife Anne is the one with father Jerimiah as he was a Tailor and here is John and Anne and John is a Tailor.

1891 Wales Census
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Woollos
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Buckley 37
Anne Buckley 34
Patrick Buckley 7
May Buckley 6

Hi Linda

Looking at the ages on the 1891 census for Margaret - 38 and 1901 census for Anne - 40, could Margaret have died and John re-married?

Thanks Alan, not sure if she married, but one to write down for future use anyway. No luck on the John Buckley and Margaret marriage? I vaguely remember them mentioning Margarets surname as Collins?

Oh Mel, dont say that!! This is my best friend's parents who asked me to do a bit of research of their family for them to get them started!! I cant really tell them they are descended from convicts, can i?

1871 England Census
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jeremiah
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Great Bolton
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Jeremiah Buckley 44
Mary Buckley 43
John Buckley 18 Lab in Foundry<<<<<<<<<
Michael Buckley 13

1881 England Census
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Wicklow, Ireland

Civil parish: Arlecdon
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Harris Villa
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Iron Miner

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Farrell 50
Margaret Farrell 50
Margaret Farrell 14
Thomas Farrell 20
Patk. Farrell 19
John Buckley 28 Iron miner and I don't think he is married so not our man!!!!!
Patrick Kelley 18

Thanks Ninjalady, we definitely have an Elizabeth and Margaret in 1891 (now shown as Lizzie and Maggie) so that looks promising. Not sure why head of house, shown as mother, is now called Anne instead of Margaret?!

Oh dear I wonder????????????????????????

1881 England Census
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Convict
Gender: Male
Where born: Sligo, Ireland

Civil parish: Woking
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: "Woking Invalid Prison Knaphill Woking"
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: Woking Invalid Prison
Neighbors: View others on page

Honora's marriage perhaps ?........................dont know spouse.

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
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BOND John Arthington W St George Hanover Square 1a 747
Buckley Honorah St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 747
McIntyre Alexander St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 747
Tatham Gladys St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 747

Do any of these names sound familiar?

Howaral is actually Honorah on the original.

Anne is listed as a widow but is born in Ireland, and the other children seem to match the 1891 census.

1901 England Census
about Howaral Buckley
Name: Howaral Buckley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 231
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Buckley 40
Anne Buckley 23 ...domestic servant
Daniel Buckley 19
Howaral Buckley 20
Lizzie Buckley 14
Maggie Buckley 6
William Collin 20 ....nephew
Thomas Morway 26 ...boarder
Daniel Gallagher 30 ...boarder
William Maney 28 ...boarder


All Buckley children born Woolwich.

Thanks Mel, any ideas on what happend to them after this please?

1891 England Census
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Buckley 38
Margaret Buckley 38
Ann Buckley 12
Honora Buckley 11
Daniel Buckley 10
Elizabeth Buckley 4
John Welsh 32

This could be their marriage as Margaret has an Irish surname
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John Buckley
Name: John Buckley
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1357



John Buckley 1875 Greenwich Greater London, Kent, London


Margaret O'Shea 1875 Greenwich Greater London, Kent, London

I am hoping someone can help please. I am helping a friend and am stuck myself! I have found on the 1891 census John Buckley, Gas Stoker born 1853 Ireland and Margaret wife born 1853 Ireland also. They have various children including 'Honora' born 1880 Woolwich Kent (which i have seen spelt lots of different ways). However, they seem to disappear after this and i am wondering if someone can help find them please. I am unsure when they came to England and cannot find a Marriage for them either. Any help is appreciated.