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I am looking for my husbands great grandad William Armstrong who may have come from Dumfries born 1850-51. He was married to Mary Ann Welsh and shows in the census in Cumberland for 1881. He had a daughter Margaret who married John Bald. any information would be grateful.

1871

boarder, he is a draper as he was in 1881
Name: William Armstrong
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Moresby
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dalrymple 33
Margaret Dalrymple 38
Thomas Dalrymple 5
Margaret E Dalrymple 3
William Armstrong 21
Marion Algie 18

Do you have the marriage certificate so you have the details of his father?


1901

Name: William Armstrong
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Armstrong 51
Mary Ann Armstrong 53
James Armstrong 23
Albert Armstrong 21
George Armstrong 19
Henry Armstrong 14

130 Queen St, he is still a draper
Wife and children born Maryport

Hi I am desperately trying to find the marriage certificate for him and May ann to get details of parents but cannot find it anywhere

Thanks for searching. I believe I have the family back to Dumfries in Scotland but cannot find marriage certificate for William....so frustrating

I got mary ann welsh from Margaret Bald and John Balds wedding certificate. They were married in Scotland 6/11/1930 in Portobello. It shows Mary ann as maiden name Welsh possibly Walsh as writing isnt quite clear on second letter of surname. I have tried searching for walsh too but no luck. Ancestry.co.uk gives the best information. Margaret was born 1848 and William Armstrong was born in 1850 in Scotland looking like it could be Dumfries area. the details came from the 1901 census for Whitehaven in Cumberland

1891 England Census
about William Armstron
Name: William Armstron
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bees
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Armstron 41
Mary Ann Armstron 45
James Armstron 13
Henry Armstron 4
Catherine Murrey 16

Searched through all the Mary Ann's born c.1848 in Maryport, Cumberland in the 1871 census (prior to her marriage)

None coming up with the surname Walsh / Welsh

Searched the same for the surname Welsh /Walsh ... none coming up with the christian name Mary or Mary Ann.

Can't say for certain, but it's beginning to look like Welsh may not be the correct name for this person.

Hi the details I have for William and Mary are from their daughters marriage certificate. John Armstrong and Margaret are Marys parents. They married on 6/11/1930 in Portobello in Scotland. Marriage certificates in Scotland show the parents names and occupations. The surname for Margaret before she married looks like Welsh or Walsh.

Can I just clarify:

Are you saying Margaret who married in 1930 is the daughter of William Armstrong and Mary Ann Welsh / Walsh ?

Can see no sign of a Margaret on any of the census.

Hi I found them on the census for 1871 in Whitehaven Cumberland. margaret was the daughter of Mary Ann Welsh or Walsh and William Armstrong. Their names are on the marriage certificate. Its now trying to find Williams place of birth which we believe to be Dumfries chasing up those leads now

Is this correct:

You're saying Margaret Armstrong is the daughter of William Armstrong and Mary Ann Welsh.

Margaret married John Bold in 1930

What age does that make Margaret when she was married. She must have been a fair age in 1930.

Here is the 1881 census. No sign of a Margaret.


1881 England Census
about William Armstrong
Name: William Armstrong
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Church Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Draper

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Armstrong 31
Mary Ann Armstrong 34
James Armstrong 3
Albert Armstrong 1
Robert Murray 25
Annie E. Mason 17

The information Florence sent looks promising.

Had a look on Scotlandspeople for a marriage between William Armstrong and Mary Ann Welsh / Walsh. Unfortunately none are registered. That's not to say it's not there. Sometimes the names have been mistranscribed and Scotlandspeople only recognise the name as it was spelled on the original certificate.

There is however a birth record for

Margaret Armstrong
between 1889 and 1890
County: Midlothian

If this turned out to be your Margaret, the certificate would register her mother's maiden name. Father's occupation. and date and place of parents marriage.

Might be worth a look.

For ref:

This is the 1901 census ... following on from the one Florence sent.

It looks like this Mary Ann Armstong's maiden name may have been Gardiner / Gardner.


1901 Scotland Census
about William Armstrony
Name: William Armstrony
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Ann Gardoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Selkirk
Registration Number: 646/3
Registration district: Partick Burgh
Civil parish: Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 Drummond Gds
Occupation: Secretery Of Palitic Al Old
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 64
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_332
Household Members:
Name Age
William Armstrony 45
Mary Ann Gardoner Armstrony 43
John Armstrony 17
William Armstrony 15
Janet Laird 24

Hi I have Margaret and John Bald marriage certificate which was dated 6/11/1930 in Portobello in Scotland. Margarets parents were William Armstrong and Mary Ann Welsh or Walsh. Johns mum and dad were James Bald and Margaret Bald nee Archibald. Margaret was 21 at date of marriage and John was 23. I hope this helps a little more

If Margaret Armstrong was 21yrs at the time of her marriage to John Bald, she must have been born c.1909.

If, as you say her father was William Armstrong born, c.1850 .... that would make William 59yrs when Margaret was born and Mary Ann 56yrs old. Far too old.

Margaret's parents must be a different set to those mentioned in the opening post.

Hi I am sending you a copy of the marriage certificate. Williams occupation is hard to read. It looks like morntype operator??? I hope you can make more sense of it .