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looks like it Ann......

Dee x

Waves back Dee - are we forming a partnership again?

I Am amazed by all this info, will go through it slowly ...I live nr Rainford so maybe finding were they lived here or st helens will be next on list....ur a brill bunch...thanks for all ur kindness.......Joanie x

Waves to Ann............. fancy meeting you here, keeping well???


Dee xx

Here are some possibles for Elizabeths birth;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
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HAYES Elizabeth Prescott 8b 626

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Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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HAYES Elizabeth Ann Prescot 8b 662

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Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
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HAYES Elizabeth Prescott 8b 672

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Births Dec 1873 (>99%)
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HAYES Elizabeth Ellen Prescott 8b 607



Maybe September 1872????


Dee x

If I looked at the right family in1881 Elizabeth's siblings were all born St Helen's except for James b 1870/71 in Rainford.

As lancashirebmd.org.uk narrows down the district it might be worth sending for the birrth certificate of james using this site. Just follow the instructions or phone the Lancashire Certificate Service on Chain Caul Way Preston & quote the ref no.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEYES James Rainford St Helens RAI/7/45

A strong possible for the 1841;

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1841 England Census
about James Hayes
Name: James Hayes
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Prescot
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Hayes 25
Rebecca Hayes 20
Charles Hayes 4 Mo
James Hayes 3



Dee x

WOW thank you folks, ur so kind, i will send for marriage cert tonight, i am asking another fav as i want to get Elizabeth's birt cert if possible please...once again thank you so much Joanie

James's mother and siblings;

1851 England Census
about James Hayes
Name: James Hayes
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Rebekah
Gender: Male
Where born: Parr, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Rebekah Hayes 32
James Hayes 12
Charlotte Hayes 8
Ann Hayes 4
John Hayes 2 <<<<<<<<<< on the 1871 with James and his family.



Dee x

Given that Kirby isnt far from Rainford................this is a possibility

Marriage: 9 Sep 1867 St Chad, Kirkby, Lancashire, England
James Heyes - (X), 21 Labourer Batchelor of Everton
Mary Bromilow - 20 Spinster of Kirkby
Bride's Father: Farmer ?
Witness: Thos Holden; M Wright; H Tyrer; M Bromilow; N Heyes; A Bromilow
Banns Read: William, 2nd: Heyes
Married by Licence by: RH Gray
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1902, Page 101, Entry 202
Source: LDS Film 1545853

Peters birth cert should confirm his mothers maiden name;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
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HAYES Peter Prescot 8b 473




Dee x

Possible marriage???
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
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Dobson Jane Prescot 8b 845
**********************Hayes James Prescot 8b 845
*************************Marsh Mary Prescot 8b 845
Midawn Thomas Prescot 8b 845
Whitfield William Prescot 8b 845

Hi,

Is this the family;

1881 England Census
about Elizth. Hayes
Name: Elizth. Hayes
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Parr
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Orrel View
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Hayes 42
Mary Ann Hayes 40
Peter Hayes 20
Robt. Hayes 18
Mary Ann Hayes 16
Rebecca Hayes 14
James Hayes 10
Elizth. Hayes 7
John Hayes 5
Margt. Hayes 1


Mistranscribed;

1871 England Census
about Peter Heyer
Name: Peter Heyer
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Rainford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Rainford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
James Heyer 32
Mary Heyer 29
Peter Heyer 10
Robert Heyer 8
Mary Ann Heyer 6
Rebecca Heyer 4
James Heyer 1 month
Henry Taylor 16 lodger
John Heyes 22 Brother



1861 England Census
about Peter Hayes
Name: Peter Hayes
Age: 8 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Parr, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Parr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 340
Household Members: Name Age
James Hayes 22
Mary Hayes 19
Peter Hayes 8 Mo

I have contacted matches on here, no luck as yet.

John Rigby married - Elizabeth Hayes on 21/7/1894 in St Helens and had a son john rigby in 1895c....

sorry i think James hayes married Mary ann round 1861...

thanks for ur kind help....Joanie

Joanie, have been looking on ancestry, and there are a few possibilities. Maybe need to come forward in time a bit first so we can place her. Can you please give details of Elizabeth's marriage? Just her husband's name will do to start with, any children would be a bonus too!
Jan

Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family or free bmd
Liz

I have been looking for a yr or so for the marriage of James Hayes /Heyes he married a lady called Mary Ann ? Maybe in St Helens or could be Rainford....their first child was born round 1861...was my G.Grandmother Elizabeth ...born round 1873 (looking for her birth so i can send for cert ) she was born in St Helens i think she did marry there and died there.
Any help on her birth and her mum and dad would help so much,even a small bit to help me carry on....
Thanks Joanie