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Andy

Jim Soton - just noticed your reply as I was going through making notes. Yes, I too am puzzled as to who Robert is? From his age, could he be an Uncle of John Mack's perhaps (his late father's brother?) Thank you for your input. You folk are great at helping out when someone is really stuck.

Andrew and Denise - many thanks for that extra information.

Chrisa - how do you do it. I was sitting here wondering how I could find Margaret Lawson?mack's first marriage and whilst I am wracking my brains, up you come with the answer. How did you do it ?

The name Joseph may have been added at his Christening??????????

This wasn't unusual and still happens now, especially with the Catholics...... could this be something else that points to an Irish connection???

All these born Newcastle. on free search.
And all living with Isabella.
So who is Robert?
1911
HOUSEHOLD MACK EDITH F 1886 25 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MACK EDITH F 1905 6 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MACK JOHN M 1879 32 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MACK ROBERT M 1860 51 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MACK THOMAS M 1903 8 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MACK VIOLET F 1910 1 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

On the 1891 census for Lawson, Margaret states she's from Ireland..... so possible;

1871 England Census
about Margaret Nolan
Name: Margaret Nolan
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Roscommon, Ireland
Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Howse 50
Wilfred Howse 16
Richard Howse 14
Gilbert Howse 13
Sarah M Howse 11
John H Howse 8
Emily H Howse 6
Emma Briggs 33
Margaret Nolan 22



Anthony Mack dies in 1880 in Newcastle.

Obviously we don't have any evidence yet but i thought this marriage was interesting to bear in mind

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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CHARLTON Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 266
>>>>>>>>Mack Anthony Newcastle T. 10b 266
>>>>>>>>Nolan Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 266
Reynolds Mary Ann Newcastle T. 10b 266

Thank you all very much indeed. You have now opened the door for me to make further progress. I am grateful to you all.

Why dont you look at the 1911 census transcript and get his place of birth.


1911
John Mack 1879
Edith Mack1886
Thomas 1903.
Edith 1905
Isabella 1907.
Violet 1909

living Newcastle upon Tyne

Possible 1881 census to tie in with 1881 and marriage

1881 England Census
about John Mack
Name: John Mack
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret J.
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 47 Rothsay St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret J. Mack 30
Elizabeth A. Mack 6
Thomas Mack 4
John Mack 1


Possible marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Mack Anthony Newcastle T. 10b 266
Nolan Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 266



Andy

I would get the marriage cert for him and see what it states.

This looks like the Lawson/Mack family in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Margret Lawson
Name: Margret Lawson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lawson 30
Margret Lawson 40
John M Lawson 15 <<<<<<<<<<< added another 5 years here!!!
Mary A M Lawson 12
Andrew M Lawson 10
Margret J Lawson 7
Ellen Lawson 5 <<<<<<<< Belle in 1901

Middle intial on Andrew, John and Mary a being M for Mack????

More possible children

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Mack Cecil Harwood Newcastle T. 10b 226

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Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Mack Maud Harwood Newcastle T. 10b 228

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Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
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Mack Noel Harwood Newcastle T. 10b 179


Andy

Marriage to tie in with the 1901 census found


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Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
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Gilveay Sarah Ann Newcastle T. 10b 154
>>>>>>Lawson Thomas Newcastle On Tyne 10b 154
Lawson William James Newcastle On Tyne 10b 154
>>>>>>Mack Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 154

Hi Denise - not I don't have the marriage cert, just the date and ref No. And yes, that 1901 census info you found showing John Mack as stepson is the one I found too and as you can see no way of me knowing which is him on 1881 census !! Oooh I could scream - stumbling blocks all the way it seems.

A possiblilty??????

1901 England Census
about John Mack
Name: John Mack
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne

Civil parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Porter

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 404
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lawson 39
Margaret Lawson 46
Margaret Jane Lawson 17
Bellen Lawson 15
John Mack 21
Andrew Mack 20
Anthony Mack 24



Area is correct for a later marriage.


Dee x

Do you have their marriage cert???????? this would confirm his age and fathers name and occupation.


Dee xx

I am in a bit of a quandary here. I am trying to trace back on the Mack family. I have a Edith Harwood who married a John Joseph Mack in 4Qtr 1902. I do know of 4 children they had - maybe more - but they had Thomas 1903, Edith 1904, Isabella 1907 and Violet 1909. As they didn't marry until 1902 I could not look for the family on 1901 census. I did however look separately for Edith Harwood (found with no trouble) but could not locate locate the John Joseph. The only John Mack b abt 1875/80 which I esitimate as his year of birth, was listed as stepson which was no help at all. Consequently I decided to take a look at each individual family member on the free 1911 look-up. I found everyone EXCEPT Jophn Joseph. There are about three John Mack's born Newcastle on Tyne at the correct time but not one of them is Joseph !! How come the rest of the family are listed but not the husband. I am never going to be establish his existence at this rate. I cannot look further into the 1911 as I do not possess any plastic cards to use online, so where do I go from here? As things stand I cannot trace him any further back to establish his parentage until I find his actual age/year of birth to see if I can locate him further back on 1881. Ooooh this is so frustrating !!