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1851

Name: Margaret Wales
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Bannockburn, Stirling
Parish Number: 644/2
Civil parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 183 Eglinton St
Occupation: Sick Nurse

ED: 3B
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 68
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_165

Household Members:
Name Age
George Munro 25
Helen Munro 24 - daughter of Margaret, i.e. Helen Wales, born Stirling
Margaret Munro 1 Mo
Margaret Wales 60


It's not that common a name, and there aren't that many born in Stirling. And Georgina had a daughter Margaret, not that that's uncommon.

Thanks, again, to Janey, I now have this:

1851 Scotland census


Name: Georgina Brown
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirling
Parish Number: 644/2
Civil parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 50 Nelson St
Occupation: Mariners Wife
ED: 22C
Page: 22 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 89
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_166
Household Members:
Name Age
Georgina Brown 25


In 1861 she had children -- did you know this??

Name: Georgina Brown
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirling, Stirling
Registration Number: 503
Registration district: Row
Civil parish: Row
Town: Helensburgh
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Clyde St Wilsons Land
Occupation: House Holder
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 157
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1861_68
Household Members:
Name Age
Georgina Brown 38
George Brown 5 - born Australia, South
Margaret A Brown 3 - born Australia, South


In 1901 she is with daughter Margaret and family:

Civil parish: Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Margaret MacKie 41
Adelade MacKie 17
Alan MacKie 13
Georgina Brown 78
Robert Welch 24
Andrew W Kennedy 29
1871:

Georgina Brown 47
Margaret Brown 13
George Brown 15 - apprentice plumber
Charles Stewart 50 - boarder


Just what you need - more potential heirs?


In 1881 Maggie is with Georgina but I don't see George anywhere.

I woulder whether these people might be of interest in 1881 though:

Name: James Brown
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Australia
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Railway Fireman
ED: 98
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_244

Name: Janet Brown
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Geelong, Australia
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 296 Cumberland St
Occupation: Dressmaker
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 82
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_242
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gorrie 49
Janet Gorrie 47
Janet Brown 21
Janet Jenkins 17

Is Janet James's daughter, and might he be (another) brother?



It would be a good idea to add this to your thread, even if it is something you already knew. Finding descendants of those children could be useful maybe? Feel free to copy it holus bolus and quote me!

JC

It seems that Allan left his wife in Scotland after a couple of voyages and never went back !

HElpppppppppppp!

Hi.
Yes, I managed to get credits and look at the entry, alas, no parents listed. Just that he was a seaman.

Just have to keep trying.

If I CAN prove they were brothers, I can make some money !
If not, zilch !

Compulsory Registration began in Scotland in 1855 and marriages after that date show the parents of the bride and groom (if known). Prior to this the records are those obtained from records kept by the parish priests, ministers etc. Some of these records are very thorough and give a lot of details and some only the bare minimum. Usually marriages from the Old Parish Records (OPR's) only give the date and place of marriage and the names of the bride, groom and sometimes their witnesses. Parents are very rarely given on marriage OPR entries, unless it was a priest / minister who took pride in their work. Some births and marriages before 1855 were never registered or have been lost.

As Janey says I have access to all Scottish records and I will endeavour to do some searching for you and see what I can unearth.

Hi Janey.

I did try SP found the marriage, but it refused my visa payment, for some reason, and then I couldn't get back in again !

Hi Philip - familysearch isn't the place to look for full info. Have you tried

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ?

Free to register, credits must be purchased to see search results. They're cheap. Then you can pay more to see the actual marriage record, and it's still not hugely expensive. It's that record that would show the parent's name.

The index is "Banns & Marriages 1538-1854".

I just did the search, and there is a Brown + Wales marriage in 1847.

Unfortunately I don't have active credits to view the results, and I wouldn't use 'em to view the record anyhow, as that's a little pricier. ;)

I strongly suggest you do that - register at SP, buy the minimum credits, do that search and view the record. Once you have viewed it, you can view it again anytime, but of course it would be best to save the image on your own computer.

Oh - and it should give the father's occupation as well, info that could be quite useful, it seems.

If it does give any info that would be of assistance for your purpose, I'm sure you can get a certified copy.

A GR member named Thomas is pretty expert in Scottish records. If you come back and post the results of that search and do want any further help with Scottish records, I'll go find him and haul him over here. ;)

Thanks, Janey.

I'll delete it now.

No, it's unfortunate that in Family Search there are three entries for the same person, with different dates ! But, alas, no parents in any.

Just hoping someone has a family story about Browns in Tahiti !

nana fer now, Philip.

However --

"Allan Brown, B 19/02/1826 in Australia. He married Georgina (Bruel) Wales in Glasgow Scotland, June 1847"

Is there no father's name in the marriage record?

I'm afraid all I can do is wish you good luck!

Would you delete the duplicate of this post that you posted two days ago, please?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1163672

The reason is that if different people see different posts about the same thing, they may end up doing the same work in an effort to help, thus wasting their time.

To bring your post up to the top of the board so that people who missed it might see it, just post a new message in it at any time. To find your posts, just click on "My threads" over on the left.

I need to find the father of Allan Brown, listed below.
If anyone has access to lists of civilians for 1826 in Auzzie, could they check or give me a buzz please?

Due to help from Shirley, I have found my two Browns, John Amos B 15/12/1828, D 14/8/1882 in Papeete. Tahiti. He married Emma Mervin in 1878 B 1857 in Tahiti.

The other is:
Allan Brown, B 19/02/1826 in Australia but there is no record of the birth. He married Georgina (Bruce) Wales in Glasgow Scotland, June 1847 D 10 or 13/11/1859 in Tahiti. No date of death for Georgina

A descendant of his wants to know if they were brothers.

Unfortunately, this still doesn't prove they were brothers. Common belief among their descendants in French Polynesia is that they were. However, before land claims can be settled, the judge must have proof .
It would seem that the father was in the army, navy or some government post to have been, with his wife, in Australia in 1826, when Allan was born, and then in Gloucester, in 1828, when John was born.

If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.