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hi, im trying to find information on a alfred ernest groves parents, i got alfred marrige certificate to a lily melhuish and found out his father was a charles groves, and couldnt find no more so i got alfreds birth certificate and found that his mum was a bessie groves but no father on birth certificate, now im not sure were to go, bessie groves married a edward finnimore in 1896, (on his sons marrige certificate there was father name alfred ernest finnimore also groves) alfred ernest groves was born abt 1881(7) on birth certificate in devon, he married lilliam melhuish in 1905 st thomas devon, she was born in exeter devon 1885.
i appreciate any help possible thankyou
regards bex

is this his birth

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
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GROVES Alfred Ernest Tiverton 5b 420

1891 England Census
about Alfred E Groves
Name: Alfred E Groves
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tiverton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Tiverton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Tiverton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tiverton
Sub-registration district: Tiverton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Hitchcock 30
Emma G O Hitchcock 3
>>>>>Bessie Groves 24<<<,SINGLE
Alfred E Groves 4
Lydia Rowland 21

if his mother was Groves i would think he was born out of wedlock

Yes that looks to be his birth, thankyou. Just not sure how to go any further well not sure were to look iv tryed some sites i no, but am having no luck
regards bex

Bex

You'll have to follow back on Bessie Groves line...

Good luck. It's happened to us all.

Gerri x

It does look that way. Thanks for advice.
regards bex

This might be her in 1881?

1881 Isle of Man Census
about Elizabeth Groves
Name: Elizabeth Groves
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: St Anne
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street Address: Mansion House Seafield
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Housemaid Serv

Registration district: Isle Of Man
Sub-registration district: L
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine I. Bacon 48
John C. Bacon 11
Marian A. Bacon 48
Harriet De La Court 37
John Watterson 50
Isabella Bridson 27
Clara Galbraith 19
Georgina Fell 22
Elizabeth Groves 15 SERVANT

Nothing coming up for Bessie

this census could be the charles Groves mentioned ,maybe Bessie's father


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles W. GROVES Head W Male 49 Ower Moigne, Dorset, England Scripture Reader
Annie GROVES Daur U Female 19 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Housekeeper
John A. GROVES Son U Male 17 Teignmouth, Devon, England Law Clerk


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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 St Bernards Ter
Census Place Tormoham, Devon, England
Family History Library Film 1341522
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2168 / 143
Page Number 33

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
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GROVES Elizabeth Newton A 5b 137

maybe Bessie's birth
you need to see the 1871 census to see if she is with her Father if it is Charles

also this birth could be possible

Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
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GROVES Elizabeth Ann Taunton 5c 477

oh blimey thankyou very much, iv looked everywere on 1881 and 1871 and had no luck
bex

somtimes when a child is born out of wedlock they put a name to save face so they may have used the grandfathers name charles,on his marriage cert,

If that charles is wrong there are 2 more listed on here for isle of white


http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1240865&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99

oh realy! i didnt no that, makes sence as i was wondering how this charles on marrige certificate was a groves and the mother bessie on birth certificate was a groves, thats good to no thankyou
bex

oh lovley
thanks
bex

The following will confirm Bessies Fathers name and occupation.

Marriages Jun 1896

Finnimore Edward Exeter 5b 192
Groves Bessie Exeter 5b 192

Sorry for delay. FreeBMD is playing up again.

Gerri x

will get there certificate, thankyou for all the help and advice
regards bex