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Hello Dee,
Yes think you are right !!! I must say i have enjoyed the chase with Albert !!! It's like reading a good book, you want to know how it ends, but you don't want to get to the last page, because you know thats THE END !!!!!
OH WELL ON TO THE NEXT ONE !!!!
And no running away if you see my looking for help again !!!!!!!
Best Regards
Sallyxx

Morning Sally,

Albert has given us the run around hasn't he............. just wish we could have found a father for him........... not looking good though is it??

Well seeing that the "Tales of the untracable Albert" have come to a close I shall no doubt be looking for other unsuspecting customers!!! Hopefully they'll be easier than Albert.......... how long have we been looking???

As for the Declaration bit, well I think Ninjalady may have found the answer; if the child wasn't born in the registration district, which it's looking like he wasn't, then she would have to make a birth declaration before registering him.......... chapter closed???


Have a great day Sally...... speak soon, Dee xxx

Good Morning Dee,
Well think you have struck on something - thats what i was looking for unmarried mothers home or sim and as usual YOU come up trumps !!!!!
I found the Rev Thomas Crow living there in 1886, and thought he may still have been there, but the Lord had taken him!!!!!!!!! Guess the house had been maybe turned into the home it was in 1891.??
I had found and looked "long hand" i may add, the Carnarvon Road, but they all had numbers on the Census 1891 no house names, i think you have found the answer to the question.
What will you do now you have found out about the Lovely Albert !!!!!!!
Regards
Sallyxx

Hi Helen,
Well i know the informant was the Mother Sarah Neale and i have found her on the 1891 Census - i was looking to see who may have been living at Ely House in 91/92 and hope it was the same.!!!!
Thanks for your time.
Sally

Hi Sally,

I've looked at Carnarvon Street in 1891.......... no Ely House, however this one took my eye;

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Hampson
Name: Mary Ann Hampson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, Medbourne, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Stratford New Town
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:Assistant Matron, training house for servants

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Hampson 29
Sarah A Mowbrey 22
Glenice L Dolcette 22
Kate W A Pomroy 18 IINMATE from here downwards!!!
Minnie Jackson 19
Miriam Goble 19
Emily M Hope 18
Elizabeth Dove 18
Lydia W A Dove 17 Henderson on image
Martha Hankes 16
Eliza Mastin 16
Elizabeth Reeve 16
Edwin M Simmons 15
Alice M Howard 15
Kate E Lucker 15
Ethel Walth 13
Adelaide L Blas 15
George W Goble 49 days
William Henderson 35 days
William Jackson 34 days


Looks like an unmarried mothers home to me???? 3 babies with mothers maiden names to match............ none of the girls are married.

Oh the joys of tracing Albert!!!!


Dee xxx

Good Morning - GILLIAN - HELEN AND SHELLY,
Thank you so much for all your messages and info.
What i am trying to do now is find WHO lived at Ely House in 1891/1892.
My friends Great Grandmother lived there in Aug 1892 after she had had a baby in Hornsey in June 1892 - i wonder if she was in service or maybe as she was a single mother was it a workhouse or sim??? I have at last got the birth cert for the baby and Ely House is address for the informant.
Any help would be great.
Thanks.
Sally

Think I found him 1871 in West Ham born 1826 Camberwell with wife Ann ,47 and family -descibes himself as Unitarian Minister without charge engaged in manufacturing chemist

And further Googling St Alethia's Church Stratford produces the unfo that Thomas Crow died 1886 and was a retired Baptist Minister and Temperance Reformer who lived at Rokeby House.A group of rational Christians registered a meeting at his house in 1875 and moved to park Avenue in 1882 where a permanent church was built in 1888.His son continued to support the church and it survived to 1903 or later

Is this your Thomas Crow ?

If it is, it looks like he may have died in 1886.

St. Alethia's Reformed Protestant church, Park Avenue, Stratford, was founded by Thomas Crow (d. 1886), a retired Baptist minister and temperance reformer who lived at Rokeby House. (fn. 144) A group of 'Rational Christians' registered a meeting at his house in 1875, and in 1882 moved to Park Avenue, where a permanent church was built in 1888. (fn. 145) His son continued to support the church after his death, and it survived until 1903 or later.

Death ? Thomas Crow (Age 61)
W Ham 4a 14


Reasonably confident it IS him so sending on the census.

1891 England Census (Ann is now a widow)
about Ann H Crow
Name: Ann H Crow
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hastings, Sussex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
View image


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 89
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Ann H Crow
67
Arthur Crow
30
Emma May
19


1881 England Census
about Thomas Crow
Name: Thomas Crow
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Church St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:
View image

Occupation: Manufacturing Chemist Employing 2 Clerks & 11 Labs

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Crow
55
Ann Crow
57
Latiner Crow
25
William Crow
22
Arthur Crow
20
Priscilla Child
24

Googling produces the Stratford Trade Directory 1886 which shows that Rev Thomas Crow was Minister of St Alethia's Reformed Church in Park Avenue Stratford so will not be listed in CROCKFORDS which is the Cof E Clergy Directory referred to above

Hi as far as i can see Stratford comes under West Ham.
thanks for the messages.
Sally

There are still a couple of carnarvon Roads in London (no "e") but I have no idea where stratford is (apart from the real one near to me, ho ho!)
But seriously, it might be possible to find building if we have a specific area.
Jan

Does Stratford come under West Ham or Woodford?

There is a Carnarvon Road on 1881 but in Essex

Nope - can't find him on the 1881 Census !!!! It is really the address i want and to see who was living there - he was there in 1886 so i was thinking he may still be there in 1891?????
Sally

Thanks Mrs G !!!!!
I was looking on 1891 and couldnt find him, but will look at 1881, you never know !!!!
Sally

You can search the 1881 for free on Familysearch or Ancestry. You should be able to search by address as well. If you can find him on there and provide a bit more detail for the 1891 I'm sure someone could have a look for him on there.

Isn't there also a vicar's directory - Cocksfords or something? Don't quote me on that - again, someone will remember the correct name.

Jill

Hello !!!
I am trying to find a Rev Thomas Crow on the 81/91 Census - i do not have his age - sorry- but i know he was living at Ely House Caernarvon Rd, Stratford, Middlesex.
I found him on the 1886 Stratford Post Office Directory.!!!
Anyone help me??????
Thanks
Sally