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Thanks for your input I will certainly take it on board. I have however found a John Young b1870 Somerset, occupation Coachman in the 1861/71 census living in Foots Cray, Kent. His spouse is Rachael b1817 and he has a step daughter Ann Watkins b 1847. I'm now trying to find there marriage. Perhaps Elizabeth died so I am also looking for her death.
I would be most grateful for any help.

Regards
Carolyn

I agree. It depends on how the question was asked about William's father. If he was just asked "what is your father's name?" he may have just said "John" without saying that his father was deceased.

Lots of people will tell you they have marriage certificates where the father is not noted as deceased when they know for certain that he was dead because they have the death certificate.

If it were my family I would certainly think this was the right family.

Kath. x

If John was deceased at the time of William's marriage it would not have to be noted on the marriage certificate. William was not legally bound to give his father's name, let alone whether he was alive or not.

I have the m/c for John's son William who married in 1848, it does not show John as being deceased so the marriage of Elizabeth Young and Joseph Bishop is probably not the one I am looking for after all.

Just looked at that for myself and I agree its definately a possibility. Think I'll have to invest in that marriage cert but before I do I think I'll look to see if a death was registered for John Young.

If you bought the marriage certificate that Sliwowski found for Elizabeth Young and Joseph Bishop it should say whether or not she was a widow at the time of the marriage.

I have a feeling that Elizabeth was the one who gave the information to the enumerator on the 1841 census because it actually has Joseph down as Young which is then crossed out and Bishop written instead. She probably got mixed up and forgot her new name for a second.

It looks like a distinct possibility this is your Elizabeth.

Kath. x

Well you've certainly given me lots to think about and investigate. Thank you so much for all your help.
Kind regards
Carolyn

In 1851 Joseph and Elizabeth are in Midsomer Norton with son, James 11yr old and George may well be in the Marines.

I'll leave the rest for you to investigate!!!

A definite possibility

Marriages Sep 1838 (>99%)
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ALEXANDER Amelia Bath 11 21
>>BISHOP Joseph Bath 11 21
BROOKS William Bath 11 21
COLLIER Thomas Bath 11 21
Grist Charlotte Bath 11 21
Harvey John Bath 11 21
Jordan Sarah Bath 11 21
>>Young Elizabeth Bath 11 21

There's a George Young 10 yr old in 1841 in St James District of Bath with Parents Joseph and Elizabeth Bishop. Could John have died and Elizabeth remarried??

Thanks Kath, I'll look into that. Strange thing is that I can't find either Elizabeth or John on any of the census, any ideas?
Carolyn

Looks like William married in Bath so it may just be a case of scouring the 1841 Census to see if they were together

Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
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Young William Francis Bath 11 4

There are these baptisms in Somerset from 1800 +/- 5 years:-

1. ELIZABETH FRANCIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1799 Ansford, Somerset, England

2. Eliza Francis - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: About 1801 Of, , Somerset, England

3. Elizabeth Frances - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1802 St Cuthbert'S, Wells, Somerset, England

4. ELIZABETH FRANCIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 31 JAN 1804

5. ELIZABETH FRANCIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 APR 1804 Freshford, Somerset, England

The one in Freshford (which is now in Wiltshire) is the nearest to Bath and Frome.
Kath. x

More than likely but it hasn't helped me find Elizabeth or her family from 1831 onwards. I can't even find her birth so I am presuming that she was born in Somerset as that's where she married an her children were born.

Pretty sure the name Bong is mistranscribed from the abbreviation for Benjamin.

Kath. x

No not my one, but would love to know who thought of the name 'Bong'

Carolyn, there is this one for starters:

Probably not your, but worth seeing if only for the name "Bong"!!


1841 England Census
about William Young
Name: William Young
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil parish: Winford
Hundred: Hartcliffe and Bedminster
County/Island: Somerset

Registration district: Bedminster
Sub-registration district: Long Ashton

Bong Young 40
Elizabeth Young 45
William Young 14
Harriet Young 12
Dane Young 10

Jan

I am looking for Elizabeth Young nee Francis. I have found her marriage 12/06/1821 Frome Somerset to John Young (occupation Coachman) and 2 children William Francis Young b1829 Bath Somerset and George Young b1831 Bath Somerset. Other than this she has avaded me. Is there anyone out there that can help me please.