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Thank you so much Elizabeth. You have confirmed what I needed to know in that Robert and Sophia not only had a son William born 1813 who I think is the father of the Jane Gammon I was looking for, but that they also had a son Daniel Gammon born 1805 in Shillingford. To cut a very long story short, I have been given a beautiful photo of the Gammon family which was in some old possesions of the Caudwell family. My aim was to try and link my Jane Gammon married to Henry Caudwell with the Gammon people in the photo. I felt there had to be a connection, else why would the Caudwells have had the photo. Anyway, I managed to build a skeleton tree of the people in the photo (luckily they were named) but couldn't find the link to Jane. It would now appear that I have that link as Daniel Gammon born 1805 being the brother of William Gammon born 1813 would have been Jane Gammon's uncle. Thank you so much for all your help - you've been a gem! Regards, Nicky

Nicky

From the Warborough P/R transcripts

Children of Robert GAMMON & Sophia ?
31 Mar 1805-Daniel
23 Aug 1807-Moses
15 Dec 1810-David
22 Aug 1813-William
18 Jan 1816-Harriet

William Gammon & Julia ARGALE married 02 November 1811

Children of William & Julia/July/Jaly (all variations on baptisms !)
21 Jun 1812-Phelp (sic)
10 Apr 1814-Sophia
11 Aug 1816-Charlotte
10 May 1818-William
26 Apr 1820-James
07 Oct 1821-Sarah
02 Nov 1823-John.....buried 19 Mar 1826 age 2 yrs
21 Aug 1825-Moses
15 Apr 1827-Ann
05 Apr 1829-Esther
26 Nov 1831-Henry

They all appear to have survived !

Which William ? !

The only William Gammon buried at Warborough is in 1859 age 72 which would give a birth c 1785

I have "nudged up " Margaret Roses' thread "Oxfordshire Look ups" on Records she has the Oxfordshre Marriage Index and may be able to find the marriages of William & Sarah and Robert & Sophia which are not at Warborough

You may have to wait for her to check her thread I think she works away but seems to get back every now and again-worth a try !

Let me know if you want anything else looked up-I do not mind a bit !"

Cheers

Nicky

Shillingford was a hamlet and came under Warborough-it did not have it;s own registers-I will get back with the info you request though I have found a William Gammon baptised 10 May 1818 s William & Jaly ?

More to come !!

Hi Elizabeth, Can I be really cheeky and ask if the Warborough P/R you have cover the area of Shillingford? I think I may have made a breakthrough with help from others and wondered if your CD covers Shillingford and if you would mind checking to see if a Daniel Gammon was born in Shillingford to parents Robert and Sophia Gammon c1805 and brother William Gammon born c1813 also to the same parents. Many thanks. Nicky

Nicky

I have the Warborough P/Rs transcribed by Oxfordshire FHS (plus several adjoining parishes)

There is not much Oxfordshire info on the IGI as the Bishop would not allow the LDS to film the registers (still will not !)

Thanks to everyone for all your suggestions. I guess I will just have to be patient and wait for the marriage certificate to confirm who Jane's father was then I can go delving around a bit more.

1861 England Census
about William Gammon
Name: William Gammon
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Warborough, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Burnham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Eton
Sub-registration district: Burnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gammon 43
Sarah Gammon 43

There are two william and sarah gammons living in Warborough area

1851 England Census
about William Gammon
Name: William Gammon
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Warborough, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Oxford St Thomas
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Gammon 38
Sarah Gammon 32
Edwin Gammon 12
Elizabeth Gammon 14
Esther Gammon 7
Walter Gammon 5
Sarah Gammon 2
Philip Best 50
Elizabeth Best 51

or


1851 England Census
about Sarah Gammon
Name: Sarah Gammon
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hagbourne, Berkshire, England
Registration district: Wallingford
Sub-registration district: Cholsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
William Gammon 33
Sarah Gammon 35

Perhaps the parents died when the children were very young...hence why in 1851 Jane was working in service


Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)
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GAMMON William Wallingford 6 161

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Deaths Dec 1859 (>99%)
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Gammon William Wallingford 2c 206



Deaths Mar 1846 (>99%)
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GAMMON Sarah Wallingford 6 182

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Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%)
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Gammon Sarah Ann Wallingford 2c 195

Unfortunately, Jane is not with her parents on the 1841 census:


1841 England Census
about Jas Gammon
Name: Jas Gammon
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Warborough
Hundred: Ewelme
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wallingford
Sub-registration district: Wallingford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Gammon 20
Sarah Gammon 20
Jas Gammon 3
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 881; Book: 22; Civil Parish: Warborough; County: Oxfordshire; Enumeration District: 22B; Folio: 4; Page: 4; Line: 5; GSU roll: 474574.

Hi Derek, yes, i've just spotted this one myself now that I have had the possible parents namesof William and Sarah. It's possible that this is the family I am looking for and that there was a slight error when entering the children in that James was listed as the 3 year old when in fact it would have been Jane and the baby would have been just 8/9 months old and George would not yet have been born. I am now going to try to track this family through the census to see what happens to them. Thanks again.

1841 England Census

in the 1841 people where rounded down so where is says the age was 20 they were actually 20 - 24 years old so can be misleading.


about Sarah Gammon
Name: Sarah Gammon
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Warborough
Hundred: Ewelme
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wallingford
Sub-registration district: Wallingford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Gammon 20
Sarah Gammon 20
Jas Gammon 3


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www.familysearch.org is the website or one of that she used

Thank you Elizabeth - this is so helpful. Where did you find this information? I have called for the marriage certificate of Jane Gammon and Henry Caudwell and hopefully now it will say that Jane's father was a William Gammon. Thanks Nicky

Nicky

Baptism-31 Dec 1837 at Warborough Oxfordshire
Jane GAMMON d William & Sarah lab

they also had
03 jul 1840-James GAMMON s William & Sarah
03 Jul 1842-George GAMMON s Willaim & Sarah......bur 12 Oct 1845 age 3

They then disappear !

No marriage for Willaim & Sarah at Warborough

No other relevant buriels-the Gammon's go back to 1550 at Warborough and adjacent parishes !

wallingford is the reg/distric for warborough

Yes, you could well be right Derek. Their first son was born in Holborn, Middex in June 1858 just 2 months after the marriage which I think occurred in April of the same year! Perhaps they thought they had better marry away from any scandal which I am sure there would have been at the time!

they may have never got married and pretended: who knows he was 45 and she was 13 when they met so it might not have gone down too well back then doing a wedding with all the family etc so keep an open mind

or

if u feel this marriage in london might be them they might have eloped and got married with no family there

Hi Sablon, Yes I know the birth certificate will give both parents, but it won't confirm if she is my Jane Gammon. I will order the marriage certificate first and see what that says and then go for the birth certificate. I'm not convinced she was born in the Wallingford district although future census is recorded as her being born in Warborough which I know falls in this area. Thanks for all your help. Nicky

the birth cert will give both parents