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Choccy - the 1891 looks a great possibility. Listed along with the mother is Mary E aged 22. She was my Gt. Grandmother. So if josiah died in 1901, I will not bother trying to trace any descendants
Again, many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Death certificate shows when and where he died, name, sex, age, occupation, cause of death, name and address of informant (doesn't have to be a relative) and when registered.

Found Josiah in 1891 (I think)!!

Transcribed as Isaiah, but definitely Josiah on original

1891 England Census
Name: Isaiah Harding
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Harding 49
Isaiah Harding 32
Mary E Harding 22

which means the possible death of Mary Harding in 1886 is a no!

Yes Choccy, that very much looks like the death of the mother and son. If I sent for his death cert. what information would it give
Many,many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Found this, which could be him give or take a couple of years -

Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%)
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Harding Josiah 41 W.bromwich 6b 546


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Awe shucks Choccy, and it looked so promising.
Many,many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Forget that Julia, I've found a Joseph Harding in the 1881 census born in Great Bridge.

Obviously Josiah isn't Joseph!

In that 1891 census he is an Iron Worker.

Julia,

In the 1871 census Edith Jones was said to be a Niece (born Handsworth). William R Nicholls was a lodger.

Hello Choccy, I suppose it is possible. After reading your post, I asked myself, why would he come to the Chesterfield area. Then I remembered that in the 1881 cenus, he was an iron foundry worker, in West Brom. I know there was an iron foundry for many years in Clay Cross, which is in the Chesterfield area. So, yes, it is a good possibility.
Many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Edit. Yes that could have been the death of his mother

There's a possible death of Mary Harding in 1886

Deaths Dec 1886 (>99%)
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HARDING Mary 56 W. Bromwich 6b 449

Age tallies with date of birth (approx)

Does anybody think this could be him - now calling himself Joseph (and marrying as Joseph by the way). His place of birth is the same as on the 1871 census


1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Harding
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Grey Bridge, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Newbold and Dunston
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold St John
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Harding 33
Margaret Harding 33
Joseph Harding 9/12
Mahala Raybold 12
George Bembridge 19


Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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BEMBRIDGE Margaret Chesterfield 7b 983
HARDING Joseph Chesterfield 7b 983

Please can any kind person take this vexing query beyond the 1881cenusus for me. For instance, did he marry, did he emigrate.
Many,many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Many thanks to Helen and Annie G. Would there be anybody through the night that can add to this. Logging off now
Many thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Helen, yes that most certainly looks like him. It is after the 1881 that I am interested in. Also, who was the Edith Jones 9 and William R Nicholls 22, were they lodgers?
Sorry Annie G, I do not think this is her. Although born in Cheshire in 1836, by 1881 whe was living in West Brom.
Many thanks to you both
Julia in Derbyshire

1871 England Census
about Josiah Harding
Name: Josiah Harding
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Bridge, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Harding 44
Mary Harding 40
Josiah Harding 13
Mary E Harding 2
Edith Jones 9
William R Nicholls 22

Is this him?

I am trying to trace any information on the above person b. 1858 in West Brom. I can find him on the 1881 with his mother Mary Ann Harding (Widow) b 1836 Cheshire, and would also like to know more about her, after this date. If possible I would like to know her single name and who here husband was etc. Also present on this date was a daughter Mary Elizabeth b 1869 West Brom. I think I have all her details, as she was my Gt. Grandmother, with the exception of her death in the early 1900's in Newark, Notts
Any help would be greatfully appreciated
Julia in Derbyshire