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more pm's from Victor, for the benefit of other helpers:-

Hello Catherine, Sorry for delay, I'm still learning!
Stanley was Bertie's surname. His father was James Stanley who died resulting from a horse bite. James was born in Aylebury in 1849.

Bertie's father was James Stanley and his mother Sarah. I'm still looking for Bertie's marriage date to Dorothy Cook and the children, one son and a daughter. Bertie died between 1920/25 and the thirties.

I thought Berie was born in 1888 but it looks as though it should be 1889. Kind regards
ps. How does one print off these pages of info? It must be possible.

I could be Bertie Gordon but I'm not sure. I will apply for a birth certificate and \marriage certificate to make sure.

You mention Bertie Stanley, 42 Wolverhampton. Is that a town or a Road because he lived in Hammersmith or thereabouts.

This is a reply to your last two messages. Lewella has given me the dates of birth and the names of Bertie and Dorothy. I have no idea if you can read her message but if you can it is most interesting. I wish I could sent a copy to you but don't have the knowledge. I now wish to find the children if they are still alive. Many thanks for your invaluable help.

Victor has sent a pm
Hello Catherine, I'm learning.. Thank you for helping. Kind regards, Victor

I have sent him a pm informing him how to post onto his thread.

Victor has put the following information on a new thread !!

I made an error, so sorry folk, you have all been so helpful. The father was JAMES and the mother Sarah.
THIS IS REF TO BERTIE STANLEY the artists and husband of unknown named wife also a boy and a girl. When Bertie died the Masonic Children's Charity paid for their education.
I am so grateful for your help. Everyone.
Kind regards,
Victor. his nephew.

Victor has started another thread number 1152165.

Sylvie

If you put Bertie Stanley born 1889 in SEARCH at the top of the page (beneath the GR logo) he appears in 3 family trees.....you should be able to make contact with the owners of the trees from the page that comes up.

PM received:

I think they were called Betty M M Stanley and Ronald A J J Stanley.
I am delighted with your info. Thank you. Kind regards.

You should purchase this marriage certificate:

Name: Arthur B Stanley
Year of Registration: 1925
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's name: Dorothy Cook
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 537


It will name both fathers and give an age for Dorothy so helping you to trace Dorothy Cook back further.

pms from Victor:-

Stanley was his surname. Kind regards

Sorry Catherine, my mistake...I must be getting old! It was James Stanley to whom I referred.

Your info is spot on. I wonder who his wife was and the two children.
Kind regards,

I forgot to tell you. Flora was my Mother.

I have been told in a message, that Bertie was born in Chiswick. I'm not sure yet. Kind regards,

From info received the names are:
Betty D M M Stanley and Ronald A J J Stanley. Thank you so much.

Yes, it certainly is looking correct. My Mother was called Florence then but, at aother times, she is Flora. I think you are correct. Did you get the address? Was it Dimsdale Road, Fulham?

My middle name is Arthur. I was possibly named after him. He was such a nice chap. I must have been about three when I knew him.

Pm received:

I have Bertie born 1889. Born Hammersmith
I am very surprised at the response to my community message. Who said people don't help!!
Thanks a lot.
Kind ragards,
From Victor


I have requested Victor help us out with more information regarding the children (if he knows names)

1911 possible

HOUSEHOLD STANLEY ARTHUR BERT M 1889 22 Fulham London

Last names STANLEY
County: London
Residence: FULHAM:
Born: Chiswick
Other person first names Arthur Bert

living in same house
HOUSEHOLD STANLEY FLORENCE MAY F 1894 17 Fulham London
HOUSEHOLD STANLEY JAMES M 1873 38 Fulham London
HOUSEHOLD STANLEY SARAH F 1844 67 Fulham London................this Sarah was born in Aylesbury!!!

so Arthur Bertie is looking more likely!

Victor, do you have any idea of the name of the children ?

No births showed for Stanley - Bischlager

but these showed for Stanley - Robertson so possibly the two children mentioned...........;

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Stanley Iris M (Robertson) W.Ham 4a 724

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Stanley Alan A (Robertson) W. Ham 4a 590

there were also these two but not same area so probably another couple................!
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Stanley Harold K Robertson Cardiff 11a 837
Births Jun 1931 (99%)
Stanley Alan C Robertson Swindon 5a 66

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Betty D M M Stanley
Name: Betty D M M Stanley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cook
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1925
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 465


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Ronald A J J Stanley
Name: Ronald A J J Stanley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cook
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1927
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 433

His death?

Deaths Dec 1929 (89%)
Stanley Bertie 42 Wolverhampton 6b 579

if this is his death the cert. will give the name of the person who registered the death, possibly his wife.

If that birth is right, this marriage is a possible:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Arthur B Stanley
Name: Arthur B Stanley
Year of Registration: 1925
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's name: Dorothy Cook
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 537

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Possible marriage ?

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Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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BISCHLAGER Elizabeth J Pancras 1b 160
Harberd Edmund R Pancras 1b 160
Robertson Christina L Pancras 1b 160
STANLEY Bertie Pancras 1b 160

Search for Births
Surname: stanley First name(s): bertie
Start date: Mar 1888 End date: Dec 1890

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
Stanley Bertie Charles Shoreditch 1c 128

Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Stanley Bertie Gordon Fulham 1a 2_5
"Fulham is the registration district for Hammersmith"

Is this a possible birth ?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Arthur Bertie Stanley
Name: Arthur Bertie Stanley
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 113

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1901
Name: Bertie Stanley
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James H
Mother's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Fathers Occupation: Horsekeeper Groom

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North East Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 315
Household Members:
Name Age
James H Stanley 52 born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
Sarah A Stanley 47 born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
James H Stanley 27
William E Stanley 22
Esther E Stanley 16
Thomas Stanley 15
Bertie Stanley 12
John Stanley 10
Flora Stanley 7

pm from Victor to say that this is the correct family!!

I saw those too, but Victor gives name of father as John ?