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Thanks so much for the info and such a quick reply! The surname Eiken is not one I have tried before so that is a great help. John's name was actually Friedrich and Oecken was spelt differently before moving to England (it included some umlauts here and there hence the variations). From what I know Whilhelmina was Johanna's middle name, her first daughter also shared it. Thanks again for the info!

Why has wifey suddenly become whilliemina then?

And the pages are of course taken from a google
I have never heard of it before,even after living in london for some years,so I wished to add to my eddicashun..

You beat me to it, MM.

Had it all copied and just about to paste, but I thought i'd reload first. ;)

I was just trying to find savoy steps and thats who popped up first to be able to get into the images janey.
But margaret has them.

Page 3 of the images
1 savoy steps
Right at the bottom
They are there.
How do you get them up then?

???
1891 census
7 Savoy Steps, Savoy Precinct, London
John Eiken, head, 54, tailor, born Prussia
Wilhelminia, wife, 60, born Hamburg
Louisa, dau, 28, born Savoy, Strand
Emma, dau, 26, military embroidress, born "
Charles, son, 24, jeweller, born "
Annie, dau, 20, military embroidress, born "
Bertha, dau, 18, born "

I'll be needing a translation.

Starters: what are 'these pages', i.e what is that / about?

Hmm ,indeed I read it wrong.


1891 England Census
about George Balls
Name: George Balls
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Savoy Precinct, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: The Precinct of The Savoy
Ecclesiastical parish: The Precinct of the Savoy
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Well at least their not lemon ones!

There does not seem to have been a census {of people} taken there in 1891 going on this
Or am I reading it wrong??

Precinct of the Savoy CP/ParLib: Census Tables
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The statistical themes listed on the Precinct of the Savoy home page are based mainly on census information and show how the Parish-level Unit changed over time. This page gives you access to the Census Reports section of Vision of Britain, which reconstructs selected original tables, but takes you straight to listings for Precinct of the Savoy, which may also cover lower level units within the Parish-level Unit.

These listings show the statistics used in the theme pages in their original context, but they sometimes also include additional statistics which we have not yet included within the themes, such as much more detailed occupational categories. This is probably part of the site to explore once you have had a good look at our statistical themes, which do more of the work for you.
Census Report Table
1851 Population tables 2 [1]: "Population Abstract".
1861 Reports: Population Tables. Number and Distribution of the People. Index to Names of Places 1: "Area; Houses and Inhabitants, 1851 and 1861, in Districts, Sub-districts, Parishes and Places".
1871 Population Tables: Registration or Union Counties, with Index to Names of Places 4: "Area; Houses and Inhabitants, 1861 and 1871, in the Parishes and Places comprised in each Superintendent Registrar's District".
1881 Tables: Area, Houses and Population in Registration Counties 4: "Area, Houses, and Population of Civil Parishes in the several Registration Sub-Districts in 1871 and 1881".
1901 County Report 12: "Registration County, Districts, and Sub-Districts, with their Constituent Civil Parishes - Area; Houses and Population 1891 and 1901, and Separate Occupiers 1901".
1911 Area, Families and Population Registration Areas 5: "Registration Counties, Districts and Sub-districts with their constituent civil parishes. - Urban or Rural District in which each parish is situated; Area; families or separate occupiers, and population, 1901 and 1911; and population enumerated in Institutions, large establishments, and on vessels, &c., 1911".
1921 County Report 3: "Population, Acreage, Private Families and Dwellings".

They just aren't there in 1891, are they?!

Could indeed have been visiting the Continent ...

Precinct of the Savoy CP/ParLib was a Civil Parish in the counties of London (Administrative), Middlesex (Ancient), London (Poor Law/Registration) and Middlesex (Poor Law/Registration), in England. It was abolished in 1922. It was also known as Savoy and St John Baptist Savoy. It was part of City of Westminster PLU/RegD/PLPar (from 1913); Strand PLU/RegD (until 1913); City of Westminster and Its Liberty Liberty; Strand Lon_SDist; Westminster MetB (from 1900); and Strand.
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Population
Population

In 1801 Precinct of the Savoy's total population was 320. In 1901 it was 166. By 1921 the population was 33.

1881

Occupation: Tailor

Not an ambassador, too bad. ;)

Multifamily dwelling -- the other household was headed by Mr. McTaggart --

Second usher Marlboro St Police Ct and Verger Chapel Royal Savoy

!!

The Chapel Royal Savoy was where ... yes, it's the Moncks ... my actress Ada was married. ;)

1901 England Census
about Emma Oecken
Name: Emma Oecken
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Johannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Precinct of Savoy

Civil Parish: Precinct of The Savoy
Ecclesiastical parish: Precinct of the Savoy
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: Strand
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
John Oecken 64
Johannah Oecken 70
Louisa Oecken 38
Emma Oecken 36

We know they were still living in 1891, anyhow!

Deaths Mar 1907
Oecken Johanna Maria W 76 Strand 1b 422

Deaths Dec 1914
Oecken John C 78 St Martin 1a 622

I'm sure you did, but the rest of us want to make sure we're not chasing wild fowl. ;)

An embassy maybe!!
Do you think they may have been out of the country?

No ,the savoy is a hotel isnt it ?and they are in the precinct of it then ?

1 Savoy Steps ... where? is a question. ;)

1881

John C. Oecken 44
Johanna Oecken 50
Louisa Oecken 18
Charley Oecken 14
Johanna Oecken 10
Bertha Oecken 8
Civil Parish: St Clement Danes
County/Island: London
Street address: 1 Savoy Steps


For ref.

Ive been having a little difficulty trying to find the 1891 census record for my great great great grandad John Oecken. He was born in Prussia in about 1837 and married to Johanna. They lived at 1 Savoy steps in previous census records but due to the unusual spelling of the surname I cant seem to find the 1891 census for them. I am led to believe they are the only family to have this surname in England at the time but could be wrong. His occupation was a taylor and his daughters Louisa (1863) and Emma (1864) may be living with them. Any help would be appreciated!

Many Thanks
Chris