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Wow thank you Dea that is very interesting. My Nanna did not think John had a daughter called Agnes but my mum remembers an aunt Agnes.

I did order the birth cert for a John but was not sure if it was the right one as the dob was 20/04/1891 and my Nanna had it down as 13/04/1891. But it looks like it is the right one as there are on others that match. On it his mother is Agnes Whitmarsh, late Randall formerly Hanley the address is 6 Miall Road.

Going by what you have found is Agnes the daughter of big Agnes? I am a little confussed and is Big Agnes the sister of Elizabeth Mitcham? But it says George and Elizabeth are her parents but they are Mitcham! I will have to order her cert.

What are the names of Henry and Sarah's other children? Where they all born in Sydenham?

Thank you so much for helping I have been really puzzled with this.

I am very gratefull.
Jacqui

With regard to what Richard has found on 1901.

I have to go off line but think the following is connected so perhaps someone will have a look into it?


think John has only just married Agnes so we need to find who he had the children with prior to 1901:

Marriages Jun 1901

Banks Elizabeth Louisa Lewisham 1d 1968
BECKETT Herbert John Lewisham 1d 1968
****RANDALL Agnes Lewisham 1d 1968
****Whitmarsh John Lewisham 1d 1968
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1891:
Name: Agnes Randall
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Sydenham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Town: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England


Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Micham 40
Elizabeth Micham 38
George Micham 20
Elizabeth Micham 17
Frank Micham 10
Agnes Randall 38 sister - widow
Agnes Randall 3 (daughter of Agnes)

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 523; Folio 34; Page 22; GSU roll: 6095633.

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The above were living at 6 Miall? Road and Henry + Sarah Whitmarsh (with son John and other children!!) were living at No. 4 !!!!!!!!!!

I don't know where the other Whitmarsh children came in, BUT...

Births Mar 1888

RANDALL Agnes Margaret Lewisham 1d 1184a

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It obviously connects!!

I will take another look tomorrow if no-one has it sorted!!

Dea x

Thank you very much.

Name: John Whitmarsh
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lewisham
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1214

Added places of birth.

richard

Thanks Richard that must be the one.
Will have to get some certs.
Maybe Henry was known as Jack!
Sorry can I just ask you does it tell you where the parents and siblings were born?

1901
Name: John Whitmarsh
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Sydenham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 337
Household Members:
Name Age
John Whitmarsh 32 bethnal green
Agnes Whitmarsh 48 bethnal green
John Whitmarsh 10
Henry Whitmarsh 8 sydenham
Agnes Whitmarsh 13 sydenham

richard

its ok :) i thought it wasnt the right one but thats the only one there was x

Hi Katie
That is def not the right one.
Thank you for looking.

the only john whitmarsh was:

George John Whitmarsh
Born-1891
Lives:Aberdare,Aberdare Merthyr Tydfil

Please could someone do me a census search on John Whitmarsh born 1891 Sydenham, it is thought his dob is 13/04/1891. His father was also called John Whitmarsh and my grandmother said he had a brother called Jack.
Thank you very much