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You're welcome Barbara

And on that note i must love you & leave as my bed is calling

TC Julie

My word Julie, you are good! I couldn't find Thomas anywhere in 1851 let alone in the same street as Mary!!! The job is right. Birth year I usually ignore and where born people usually put down where they were living so they did not get moved on. Have a feeling about this one thanks.

Christening in Ware = Could be. In the census he is always down as being born in St Albans, Herts. Found a Thomas Fordham in Royston, Cambridgeshire (I found out that half of Royston is in Herts and the other half was in Cambridgeshire). So this adds to the confusion as it was not until later that the area came under St Albans, so what it was when he was born I don't know.

Birth/Christening, 1806 - 1846, Hertford, England, British Isles
Father: Jonathan Fordham, Mother: Elizabeth

EMMA FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUL 1816 Widford, Hertford, England
MARTHA FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 JAN 1830 Ware, Hertford, England
SUSANNA FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 JUN 1835 Ware, Hertford, England
DANIEL FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 JAN 1825 Ware, Hertford, England
ELIZABETH FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAR 1823 Ware, Hertford, England
WILLIAM FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 NOV 1818 Ware, Hertford, England
MARIANNE FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 FEB 1821 Ware, Hertford, England
SARAH FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 FEB 1833 Ware, Hertford, England
CHARLES FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 MAR 1838 Little Munden, Hertford, England

so all possible siblings if correct christening!

This is him in the 1851...his occupation is the same as the 1861 A Brickfield Labourer

Thos Fordham
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 236
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Neighbour 39
John Neighbour 29
George Carpenter 24
Wm Downham 34
Fred Clark 27
Joseph Neighbour 15
John Searle 20
Thos Fordham 21
John Pearce 24
Robert Jones 26



OMD's he is at 8 Albion Place & Mary is at number 21

Possible christening for Thomas?

THOMAS FORDHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1827 Ware, Hertford, England
Father: JONATHAN FORDHAM
Mother: ELIZABETH

Thanks Julie, the 1851 census is interesting. The Ashen is close enough to Ashenden. The age about right. Now need to try and find Thomas Fordham in 1851 to see if they were in the same area.

This looks like Mary Ann in 1851

Name: Mary Ann Roblett
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashen, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 21 Albion Street

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Collinson 23
Sarah Collinson 2
Mary Ann Roblett 23 Unmarried

Heres Mary in the 1851, then about 18 months later she has Martha

Mary Ann Roblett
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashen, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Collinson 23
Sarah Collinson 2
Mary Ann Roblett 23


For REFS

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
Fordham Martha Islington 1b 202

The birth certificates I have for the chidlren all put her as Mary Ann Roblett (although at first I took this as Roberts until looking closely!!).

Do you have Jane's B/C for her Mums maiden name
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OMD's i need to put my glasses on have just noticed Marys surname in you OP

The Thomas Stevens Fordham and Mary Ann Hull was the nearest I got but alas right area right ages etc but not the right people.

Gosh everybody is so quick!!

First childs name I can find is Martha b Islington 1852, my ggrandmother was the next in line 1854 (Jane). I have all the census entries accept 1851 and looking at a couple of poss before they married 1841 in Herts.

I did wonder about the 1888 marriage but cross referencing I can't pair this up with Thomas Fordham. Beginning to think she married somebody else first! or not married at all is another possibility.

They did move to Edmonton after living in Islington and lived in Tottenham until their deaths in 1902.

This might be them but you'll need one of their childrens B/C to confirm MMN

Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
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CLARK Elizabeth Islington 3 136
>>>>>>>>>FORDHAM Thomas Stevens Islington 3 136
Granfield George Islington 3 136
HEWITT Elizabeth Ann Islington 3 136
>>>>>>>>>HULL Mary Ann Islington 3 136
PARSLOW Jane Islington 3 136
SHUM John George Jacob Islington 3 136
Wooster Charles Islington 3 136

Could this be the family?

1891
Name: Thomas Fordham
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Albans, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 23 Murray Street

Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fordham 68
Mary Ann Fordham 66 born: Bunburyford, Hertfordshire
Thomas Fordham 21
Francis J Hork 3 Grandson - born: Recannad Barracks, Dublin, Ireland


1881
Name: Thomas Fordham
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 5 Stanley Grove
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fordham 56
Mary A. Fordham 53
Alice Fordham 16 born: Islington, Middlesex
Lizzie Fordham 14
James Fordham 12
Thomas Fordham 11
John Whittenbury 76


1871
Name: Thomas Fordham
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 39a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fordham 46
Mary A Fordham 44
Mary A Fordham 15
William Fordham 11
Hannah Fordham 9
Alice Fordham 6
Eliza Fordham 4
Janes Fordham 3
Thomas Fordham 1
James Pocock 86

1861
Name: Thomas Fordham
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Albans, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 9 Orchard Street

Occupation: Brickfield Labourer

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fordham 35
Mary Ann Fordham 33
Martha Fordham 8 born: Islington, Middlesex
Jane Fordham 7
Mary Ann Fordham 5
George Fordham 2
William Fordham 1

I've found two entries which may help -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Roblett Mary Ann East London 2 258

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Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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ROBLETT Mary Ann Pancras 1b 65

Doesn't have who they married though but with the year and vol no you can cross reference them in BMD indexes.

Gemma

What were the names of their children?

Have you them together on the census

& what was the childs name

Trying to find a marriage entry for Thomas Fordham b1826 and Mary Ann Roblett 1828. They both came from Hertfordshire (Royston/Buntingford/Aspenden). The first child's birth I can find for them is 1852 in Islington but of course there could be a birth before this in another area.

Barbara