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I was actually thinking that too, because l noticed a lot of Fraters come from Northumberland and Durham areas...

Deb

Debra,
I've been thinking, (very difficult for a Sunday afternoon). I have someone in my tree that, being born in the border lands, put himself down in some census records as being born in Scotland and some as Northumberland. If you haven't found a birth in Scotland, there are two around the correct time in Northumberland:-

Births Sep 1857 (96%)
Frater Robert Belford 10b 260
The district Belford spans the boundaries of the counties of Co. Durham and Northumberland
Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
Frater Robert Alnwick 10b 284
The district Alnwick is in the county of Northumberland

may not of course be him but could be worth keeping in mind?

Yes Margaret,
l got my grandmas birth cert from there to find out her mothers maiden name, but Roberts marriage isnt on there either.

Deb

Have you checked Tees Vally Indexes here?

http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/

There are a lot of Frater births.

Yeah June,

Thats the death l found which complicates dob from 1853 to 1860

Deb

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

You have to register to use the site, that doesn't cost anything but to view the records you have to buy credits and use your credits to view either a transcript (10 credits) or the original census (30 credits). The transcript will only give you the names of everyone living in the same house so you will need to view the original.
Hope the info you are looking for is on the record.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/



try it out


June x

Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Frater Robert age 51 Middlesbro 9d 446




June x

Hi Catherine,

Thats great, and what site did u do the 1911 census look up on? Never used the 1911 one yet!

Deb

The original 1911 census gives the number of years a couple have been married so you can at least narrow the date down. However, Robert having died before the census this info may not show, but could be worth paying to view the record anyway, just in case.

1911 - all living with Mary Ann:-

HOUSEHOLD FRATER MARY ANN F 1863 48 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER BARBARA F 1887 24 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER EDITH EMMA F 1895 16 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER IDA F 1901 10 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER JAMES M 1904 7 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER SARAH F 1893 18 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD FRATER THOMAS M 1898 13 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding

no sign of Robert, so death is likely him.

Checked it out and it looks like aged 37 not 57 so it does look like 1854, but still cant find birth in Scotland.

Deb

June

Thats great, but gives me 3 dob's now....1854, 1860 and 1834. I'm gonna check that 1891 census out!

Deb

1891 mistranscribed

Name: Robert Frates
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby
Town: South Stockton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Frates 57 image looks like 37
Mary A Frates 29
Barbra A Frates 5
Samuel E Frates 1




June x

Thanks Caroline,

Thats the only info l can find on him but trying to find him on earlier census birth or marriage, l dont know where to go from here?

for ref:-

1901
Name: Robert Frater
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Thornaby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Drill Machine Worker in Shipyard

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Frater 47
Mary Ann Frater 38 born: Rotherham, Yorkshire
Barbra A Frater 13 born: Thornaby, Yorkshire
Samuel Ed Frater 12
Jane Frater 10
Sarah Frater 8
Edith E Frater 6
Thomas Frater 2
Ida E Frater 1 month

Hi,
Trying to trace my g grandad Robert Frater. I can only find him on 1901 census b 1854 in Scotland. He married Mary Ann Dunn from Rotherham and lived in Thornaby on Tees. I cant find trace of the wedding, his birth or even any other census before 1901. Found a death of Robert Frater in 1911 Middlesbrough which states birth around 1860. This is the only info l can find and l hope someone out there can help?

Deb