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I am trying to find my Great great grandmother's family from Pendlebury Manchester . I purchased her wedding certificate to Daniel Morgan in 1896 and found her father's name was Edward but cant find them anywhere on the cencus's . The witnesses on the certificate where Thomas Barnes & Georgina Robinson , I have found they married a year later and I have all his family but cant tie him in to Mary Ellen Morgan's family but im sure they must be related?
Can anybody please help??
Thank you
Steven

It's possible that this was Edward's death:

Deaths Dec 1879
Barnes Edward 25 Salford 8d 118

and so you would never see Mary Ellen on a census with her father.

(I'm assuming that Thomas's marriage cert shows that his father was not Edward - ?)

Births Jun 1876
Barnes Mary Ellen Salford 8d 37

?

>> Pendlebury is actually in Salford reg dist.

If the father died in 1879 wouldn't he be noted as deceased on the marriage cert.?

Re - deceased - not necessarily, from what I gather.

Apparently people tended to answer only what they were asked -- if the question was father's name, they just gave father's name!


Let's get a little more info from Steven, hopefully.

I particularly want to know whether he has confirmed that Thomas was not Mary Ellen's brother.

What was Thomas' age on his marriage cert. ?

1901

Name: Thomas Barnes
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Georgina
Gender: Male
Where born: Pendlebury, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Pendlebury
Registration district: Salford

Joseph Robinson 68
Phoebe Robinson 55
Joseph Robinson 21
Phoebe Robinson 16
William Tomes 13
Georgina Barnes 24
Thomas Barnes 26
Thomas Barnes 3
May Barnes 8 months

Thomas's household in 1881 in Pendlebury:

William Barnes 39
Ann Barnes 34
James Sackfield 17
Ralph Barnes 13
Alice A. Barnes 11
William Barnes 8
Thomas Barnes 6
Isaac Barnes 5
John Barnes 3

This could be Mary Ellen in 1891:-

Name: Mary E Barnes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Pendlebury, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Pendlebury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Irlam O Th Height
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Eckersley 36
Ann Eckersley 37 born: Little Laver, Lancashire
Mary E Barnes 15
Alice Eckersley 13
Margaret E Eckersley 6

which would mean that her father had in dead died, and her mother remarried!

and looks as though mother married the lodger:-
1881
Name: Mary E. Barnes
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Little Lever, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Pendlebury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: No 7 Ellen St Off Bol Rd

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Barnes 25
Mary E. Barnes 4
Alice Barnes 1
John Eckersley 23
John Beach 23

Yup, that's where I was going with that!

Here they are in 1881:

Hannah Barnes 25
Mary E. Barnes 4
Alice Barnes 1
John Eckersley 23 - Boarder
John Beach 23


Aha, you edited to add the same finding. ;)

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
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*****Barnes Hannah Salford 8d 60
******Eckersley John Salford 8d 60
Foster James Salford 8d 60
Leah Mary Ann Salford 8d 60
Lear Mary Ann Salford 8d 60

Possible marriage for Edward:-
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
<<<BARNES Edward Salford 8d 24
<<<HOLT Ann Salford 8d 24
JONES David Salford 8d 24
Price Elizabeth Salford 8d 24

but wife is Ann and not Hannah ?

Sorry Eavie,
I put it with the 1891census to keep them together. Didn't see that you had also posted 1881!

thank you so much for you replies and judging from the cencus you have all kindly found , I am thinking along the lines that the Edward Barnes I am trying to find is the one that died at 25 and his wife remarried the "lodger".
Thomas Barnes was definitely not mary's brother I have traced his family back as someone else has put on this thread his father was William but it is definitely the right Thomas who signed Mary's wedding certificate I just need to find the link between them before I can add to my tree?

Could he have been her uncle, ie Edward's brother?

Could he have been her uncle, ie Edward's brother?

I have traced Thomas and his father William all the way back through the cencus and there is no sign of an Edward?