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A shame that a new thread was started for Mary Ellen Jones when so much info was here to help..

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1187697

Who did Mary Ellen name as her dad on the m.cert? Are the witnesses of any help, or are they all Baines's?

Have now got lots on the baines line - thanks to all who have replied. But Mary Ellen Jones is still proving to be very difficult, thanks to a fairly common name. If anyone has anything on her, I would love to hear.

I have ordered the marriage certificate for john and mary ellen but while waiting for it to arrive was fishing around a bit more and found on familysearch that fathers name given as william jones but no mothers name listed

You need to purchase Mary Ellen Jones marr.cert (best not put John's name as who knows how it's spelled)
You can order it online thru the GRO with ref info 1909 q=J/F/M Chester vol=8a page=557
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

or from Cheshire West rego office with ref info 1909 entry=CE16/2/139

Superintendent Registrar
Cheshire West Register Office
Goss Street
Chester
Cheshire
CH1 2BG
UK
Telephone: 0300 123 7037
Email: [email protected]

It should cost 7 GBP

I too found her on the 1911 census but by that time she was married so no clue as to her family as she was living with her husband and his dad.

To make any progress here, I think we must know her dad's name (and occup, if given) from her m.cert - there's a couple of dozen Mary Ellen Jones's born every year.

I searched 1911 with pob=Chester, and got a hit there for her.

Thanks to all the help from the volunteers i have made great progress with John's father and hence all his family but am now getting nowhere with johns wifes family. her name i am told by a family member was mary ellen jones and this was confirmed by marriage records. again from info from family member she may have had sisters sissy and ellen and a brother called clifford stuart but not sure why he may have a different surname. I think she was born in chester in about 1883. any help would be really appreciated as i have tried all i can think of.

many thanks for this information, has added lots of detail to my tree. VERY grateful for the work put in as i am a novice at this by your standards i feel. wonder if thomas somewhere on a boat as i think i found william in 1861 on a boat in northampton.

Choccy has put up the censuses rg13/3369/90/? & rg11/3555/93/41
There's also a Thomas H in the same piece # in 1901 - possibly a son or nephew of Thomas

1901
Thomas H Baines abt 1876 city, Shropshire, England head city, Cheshire
Lucy A Baines abt 1878 city, Staffordshire, England wife city, Cheshire

rg13/3369/84/? Registration Sub-District: Chester Castle, Registration District: CHESTER


1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William BAINES Head M Male 56 Llanymynach, Shropshire, England Canal Boatman
Elizth. BAINES Wife M Female 54 St Martins, Shropshire, England
William BAINES Son U Male 22 St Martins, Shropshire, England Canal Boatman
Mary J. BAINES Daur U Female 20 St Martins, Shropshire, England
Henry BAINES Son U Male 17 St Martins, Shropshire, England Canal Boatman
Evan BAINES Son U Male 11 St Martins, Shropshire, England Scholar
Enock ROBERTS Servant U Male 45 Whittington, Shropshire, England Canal Boatman
Edward JAMES Servant U Male 23 Brackley, Northampton, England Canal Boatman
George DAVIES Servant W Male 38 Malvern, Worcester, England Canal Boatman
Thomas H. BAINES Grandson U Male 6 St Martins, Shropshire, England

Source Information:
Dwelling St Martins Moors
Census Place Whittington, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341638
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2660 / 101
Page Number 7

Neither Thos nor Lizzie are with Thos+Eliz in 1891.
I can't quite figure out where Lizzie's at - it looks like it might be a school

1891
Lizzie Baines abt 1879 Cheshire, England scholar city, Cheshire

rg12/2861/85/? Registration Sub-District 2A Chester Castle, Registration District 450.CHESTER

1891
Thos Baines abt 1852 city, Shropshire, England head city, Cheshire
Eliz Baines abt 1850 Shropshire, England wife city, Cheshire
Percy Baines abt 1882 Cheshire, England son city, Cheshire
Jno Rob Baines abt 1886 Cheshire, England son city, Cheshire

rg12/2862/62/? Registration Sub-District 2B Chester Castle, Registration District 450.CHESTER

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Baines Elizabeth 52 Chester 8a 211

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Baines Lizzie Liverpool 8b 105
Hooper John Thomas Liverpool 8b 105

1901 England Census
Name: John R Baines
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Chester
Ecclesiastical parish: Chester St John
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 362
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baines 49
Elizabeth Baines 51
Percy Baines 19
John R Baines 15
Lizzie Hooper 22
Emma Hooper 5wks

for reference

1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Baines
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St Martins, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: St John The Baptist
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Nelson St Hoole Lane Locks House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Canal Lock Keeper

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baines 29
Elizabeth Baines 31
Lizzie Baines 2

1911
HOUSEHOLD BAINS THOMAS M 1852 59 Chester Cheshire Head
HOUSEHOLD BAINS PERCY M 1881 30 Chester Cheshire Son
HOUSEHOLD BAINS JOHN ROBERT M 1885 26 Chester Cheshire Son
HOUSEHOLD BAINS MARY ELLEN F 1883 28 Chester Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD BAINS ELIZABETH MARY F 1910 1 Chester Cheshire Daughter

[NB Chester=rd450]

A check of the local RO indices at:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

shows Sablon was right in guessing a transcription error:
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Mary Ellen BAINES John Robert Chester, St Paul Cheshire West CE16/2/139

Also it shows the first 3 kids were rego'ed in Chester Castle sub-RD, and the last 2 in Tattenhall sub-RD (also Amy L=Amy Letitia).

Here's the missing Forrie from FreeBMD:
Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
Baines Florrie Jones Chester 8a 514

May have had siblings Lizzie and Percy and parents Thomas Baines & Elizabeth. Thomas was the lock keeper at Hoole Lane Lock. Any info sharing would really help as I am stuck on this part of the family.

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Baines Amy L Jones Chester 8a 656

Births Jun 1925 (97%)
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Baines Janet Jones Chester 8a 555

Births Mar 1918 (99%)
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Baines Thomas Jones Chester 8a 500