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HOUSEHOLD BAINES RICHARD A M 1877 34 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES ANNIE F 1909 2 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES EDITH F 1910 7 MONTHS West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES ETHEL J F 1903 8 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES FLORRIE F 1908 3 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES ROSE H F 1877 34 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAINES WILLIAM HENRY M 1902 9 West Derby Lancashire

PM from Iam Malcolm;

" Thank you very much, it has been very helpful how did you find out about the christening dates what site was it, your very good I wasnt expecting all that help thanks again.
From Ian Malcolm "


Dee x

nudge for Ian

Henry's first marriage (and Rose's mum)?

Marriages Mar 1868
Dewsnap Henry Scott West Derby 8b 540
Johnson Hannah W.Derby 8b 540

So Hannah died;

Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
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DEWSNAP Hannah 33 W. Derby 8b 399


Henry then remarried and that's why the year of birth is slightly out, he was in an asylum so therefore her stepmother Ellen would be unsure of her age.


I think this maybe poor William Scott's death???

Deaths Mar 1872 (>99%)
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DEWSNAP William 1 W. Derby 8b 368



Dee x

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Hannah Dewsnap
Name: Hannah Dewsnap
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Sep 1875
Christening Place: Wavertree, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Henry Dewsnap
Mother's Name: Hannah

Don't know if you've seen this???

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Williams Scott Dewsnap
Name: Williams Scott Dewsnap
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Aug 1870
Christening Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Henry Scott Dewsnap
Mother's Name: Hannah

Looks like she did switch her name around;


1891 England Census
about Rose M Dewsnap
Name: Rose M Dewsnap
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavertree, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wavertree
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Dewsnap 42
Rose M Dewsnap 14
Michael Wheelen 28


Dee x

I think this is her???


1881 England Census
about Ellen A. Dewsnap
Name: Ellen A. Dewsnap
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Wavertree
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Pighue Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen A. Dewsnap 34 >>>> Ellen Agnes Brown ???
Hannah S. Dewsnap 5
Chas. Brown 25 Lodger





Dee x

It looks like Henry remarried;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
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BROWN Ellen Agnes W Derby 8b 771
DEWSNAP Henry Scott W.Derby 8b 771
Lee William Thomas W. Derby 8b 771
Renshall Alice W Derby 8b 771

1901 England Census
about Rose H Baines
Name: Rose H Baines
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard A
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members: Name Age
Richard A Baines 25
Rose H Baines 24

Hi Ian,

Just incase you don't have this;

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Richard Albert Baines
Name: Richard Albert Baines
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 24
Father's Name: Albert Baines
Spouse's Name: Rose Hannah Dewsnap
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Dewsnap
Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1900
Marriage Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England

Dewsnap was her birth name and as far as I no it was Rose Hannah, but you have got me thinking now. Her married name was Baines. I will have another go and see if I can find Henry her father her mothers name was Hannah. This has gave me another boost just what I needed. Thanks. :)

could she have been registered as Hannah and the Rose bit added later?

Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
Dewsnap Hannah W. Derby 8b 574

was dewsnap her birth name or married name

Sorry its Dewsnap. Rose Hannah Dewsnap.

Well, the first thing we need from you is a Surname :-)

I no Rose died 1929 age 53 her father was a baker, Henry, as was his father George. Ive found on 1871 census that a Henry was born in Scotland also a baker but moved to Manchester but dont no if this is the right one, as this is a 1st with the scottish connection. Henry married in Liverpool in 1868. I no all this but just cant find Rose. Has anyone got any suggestions before i start buying into other sites to see if there is a answer.