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Awwwwwwww Helen im well pleased you are getting the picture, i took lots of hubbies grandads grave when i was over there last year.
If i go again this year will let you know and i will get you another picture and put a poppy on his grave .

speak soon
nite Helen and hugs

June x

tut so i cant put his real father down coz of her selfishness at not adding him on the census. how inconsiderate, she should of known i would be looking one day hahahaha. well that has solved why i couldnt find anything eh. i have only been doing this a few months, so im quite green, can call me the hulk if you like, im the same size too, but most people call it fat lol. ohh thankyou you all so much. gonna go to bed now, got a 3 yr old to get up with in morning, i can only do this when shes in bed. nite everyone xoxoxox nite june (((((june))))

victoria, alviegal, wilma thankyou all for replying to my thread and helping me, yeah victoria you and june came to the same by the looks of it. i will look at the replies again and note the things i need and i will get the certs. and ohhh JUNE!!! your my angel bless you so very very much sweetheart. i have a picture coming to me now that i was able to order of my g grandfathers headstone. theres no way i can get to france so that is the next best thing and its all thanks to you. you are a true star i tell ya!!!!!!!!! thankyou once again and thankyou to vic, alv and wil xoxoxox [circles are hugs]

No look at edited info above lol

any time helen



June x

looks like June and I have come to the same conclusion!


this does not mean that Samuel Butler was his father but merely "took him on"

OK what could have happened is that Alfred was born out of wedlock and he was registered as Alfred Moore

his mother then married Samuel Butler and he took on the name Butler in the census until after he was married when he reverted to Moore

suggest that you get the certificates of birth and marriage

omg june!! your amazing!! i did think to ask you last night but my comp went down and i took it as a sign not to bother you as your busy. bless your gorgeous heart thankyou so much. so am i right in thinking he had a double barreled name sort of thing then. alfred moore butler. his dad is samuel butler and his mother francis moore or have i got that wrong lol

Waves to Helen and happy easter

Glad to help again

looks like Fanny had Alfred before she married Samuel Butler
thats why he is Moore Butler


after he married he dropped the Butler


June x

1881

Name: Samuel Butler
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Rowley Regis
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 15 Graingers Lane
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer Ironworks

Registration district: Dudley
Sub registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 60
Eli Butler 19
Enoch Butler 14
*********Samuel Butler 14 brother that is with him in 1891


June x

june, are you the lovely lady that helped me with my breeze ww1 resting place?

bear with me on this


Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
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Butler Samuel Dudley 18 448

Moore Fanny Dudley 18 448 Mother




1851

Name: Alfred Butter
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish: Cradley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butter 29
Frances Butter 25
Alfred Butter 6
Ann Butter 3
Sarah Butter 9 Mo







1861

Name: Alfred Butler
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish: Halesowen
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 40
Frances Butler 35
*********Alfred Butler 16
Ann Butler 13
Sarah Butler 10
Matilda Butler 7
Joseph Butler 5
Emma Butler 2







1871

Name: Fanny Butler
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Rowley Regis
Ecclesiastical parish: Reddal Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Dudley
Sub registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 29
Fanny Butler 44
Matilda Butler 17
Joseph Butler 15
Emma Butler 12
Eli Butler 10
Enoch Butler 4
Saml Butler 3
Mary Ann Harper 34
Ann Harper 12
Benj Harper 6



June x

to all, the sibling samuel i have on my tree was born in 1901, he was adopted out in the 1911 census as alfred was a widow by then, he was adopted to the people living next door name of bishop. ive yet to work out who they are. so the samuel that wilma mentions i dont know who he is

wilma, yeah all the siblings names are the same but im confused as to where the butler is coming into it

victoria, same really as what i asked june, is butler his mothers name or his, i know im a nightmare sorry x

Does this mean anything do you think?

1891 England Census
Name: Alfred Moore
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Stockton On Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Stockton On Tees
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Moore 46
Ellen Moore 43
Joseph Moore 16
Jane A Moore 12
John T Moore 10
Emily Moore 6
Fanny Moore 4
?????????????Samuel Butter 24 (reads Butler on census)

june, lmao i did see the word butler but i thought that was an occupation. jeeze. so is his name moore butler or is butler the name of his mother? im confused now, trust me it dont take much to confuse me lol

GRO index of marriage

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)

BUTLER Alfred M Dudley 6c 109
Cross Ellen Dudley 6c 109

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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BUTLER Alfred M Dudley 6c 109
Cross Ellen Dudley 6c 109



June x

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ELLEN CROSS Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ALFRED MOORE BUTLER Family
Marriage: 20 MAY 1866 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M040142 1851 - 1854 0378778 Film 6901192




June x

alviegal, ya know i never thought that they never married lol. naughty people haha. for ellens birth did you notice what quarter it was as i know i will need that. dont worry if you didnt i can look for it with the info you have given me. thank you so much for that, bless ya x