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Christine does looks ups in Derbyshire

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1138654

Chesterfield and Derbyshire family history society

http://www.cadfhs.org.uk/

local studies library

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/local_studies/local_studies_libraries/default.asp

Derbyshire wills

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/record_office/our_collection/derbyshirewills/default.asp

Polly and Charles do appear to be twins on the posting I did at the beginning of this thread

Hi Christine,
Thank you. Yes i'd seen it.
I know that James died between 1881 - 1891.
Her age changes. I'm wondering if she had lied about her age with there being a big gap in their ages. Also thinking that maybe the previous post with regards to his death will have been him and he too lied about his age.

Name: James Charles Gregory
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 66
District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 441

Stories, stories, stories!
I believe there was a will. Money was left for charles and Polly. My aunts told the story of them being too young and it being put into trust. Once they were of age they went to find out and it had gone. My aunt always said it had gone the wrong way!! Apparently it was the family solicitors that had dealt with it.
I haven't found anywhere good to look for wills.
When James died, one of the children possibly Polly went to live with her elder sister who treat her like a servant.
Polly is already Asquith in 1891 census so i'll possible never know unless there are cousins out there that can retell this story.

Anyone????

Vicky

Hi all,
Thank you again,
The 1881 census are deffinetley my ancestors. Polly was my grandads mum. Charles William was her twin brother. They were born on 1 May 1873.
Shelton was the name given to me from my g aunts. I myself have queried this name.
Familysearch.org does give Jane Shelton as the mother on the birth of polly (Mary) and Charles.
Does anybody know where they get there information from and if there could indeed be a mix up.

Vicky...... Still hunting!!!

in case you do not have it

1891 Address: Race Course Side, Newbold And Dunston, Newbold
GREGORY, Jane Head Widow F 48 1843 Tailoress
Heage
Derbyshire VIEW
GREGORY, Charles William Son Single M 17 1874 Labourer At Pottery
Heage
Derbyshire

Are you sure they were twins?
I found Polly and she is one of 2 girls with that reference.

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Gregory Emma Frances Bakewell 7b 662
Gregory Polly Bakewell 7b 662

There are several possibilities for Charles in the close time frame but not an exact match.

This is a submitted record in the IGI:


RICHARD GREGORY
Christening: 25 AUG 1807 Old Brampton, Derby, England
Father: WILLIAM GREGORY
Mother: JANE
Batch Number: 7212941


Same parents, in that batch:
ANNA GREGERY
Christening: 10 AUG 1800 Old Brampton, Derby, England


But a general search for births, parents William Gregory and Jane, Derbyshire, 1800-1840, produces those four siblings, but doesn't produce a James. The mother is given as Jane Shemwell.

Those records are all submitted. I wonder, if James was indeed alienated from the family, whether whoever did the research didn't know about him?

There are other Gregorys in Brampton in 1841 of course ... so they're probably related, but more distantly.


Someone at GR has this person in her tree:

Hannah 1811 Alport, Nr Bakewell, Derbyshire

Now that you know James gave Alport as his place of birth, might be worth a contact.

James was in Brampton in 41 and 51.

This is an interesting household in Brampton in 71.


Richard Gregory 63 - unmarried, farmer of 40 acres
Ann Gregory 70 - unmarried, annuitant
Thomas Gregory 60 - unmarried, butcher
John Gregory 54 - unmarried, farm labourer


Richard is head, and the others are his siblings.

They seem fairly prosperous, and they're in the right place, and they seem to be all confirmed bachelors/spinster! I wonder whether they're your James's siblings.

I'm not understanding about the marriage.

This is what FreeBMD shows:

Marriages Dec 1861
Sheldon Robert Melton M 7a 497
Shelton Jane Melton M 7a 497

That's the only Jane Shelton marriage, and there's no James Gregory marriage. - ?

That's the one I had just above there, Victoria. ;)

And got him back to 1841 -- but unfortunately he was a loner up until he appears with the kids!

Thank you everyone!!!
I found a marriage in 1861. Jane Shelton of Barnsley.
I did find a possible hit in 1861 census. He's widowed, a joiner. Living with two girls. Jane 7 and Sarah A 4.

Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Alport, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Newbold and Dunston
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold St John
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
James Gregory 40
Jane Gregory 7
Sarah A Gregory 4
Patrick McNamarra 67
Mary McNamarra 62
Martin McNamarra 14

And widowed by 1861!


James Gregory 40 - joiner & builder
Jane Gregory 7
Sarah A Gregory 4
Patrick McNamarra 67 - lodgers
Mary McNamarra 62
Martin McNamarra 14

And he's still single in 1851:


Name: James Gregory
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Alport, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Brampton

Occupation: Joiner & Builder

Edmund Nicholls 53
Elizabeth Nicholls 56
James Gregory 32

So this is him in 1841:

Name: James Gregory
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Brampton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Registration district: Chesterfield

Occupation: JOINER



Unfortunately, on his tod.

I cannot find a marriage to Jane Sheltom.

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Gregory Polly Bakewell 7b 662

DEATH
Name: James Charles Gregory
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 66
District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 441

Births Dec 1871
Gregory Hannah Chesterfield 7b 592


Rereading your first post, it seems the children were James's and his (first) wife's. That certificate would give you her name -- it would just be easier to look for them in censuses with that info.

And if there were older children who would have been present in 1871, e.g., and you know their names/birthdates, that would be useful.

Sadly, bells very seldom ring around here, despite the hopeful posts. When a cousin does spot a cousin on the discussion boards, it's generally time for a large celebration, it happens so seldom. Generally speaking, we have to do the slogging on our own. (Anyhow, in my experience, if you find a cousin, they're at least as likely to want what you have as to have more stuff to offer!)

You believe Jane is a Shelton -- they never did marry? No record at FreeBMD that I see.

Were the children Jane's? That would be the way to be sure: get a birth certificate or two.

Do you know who his previous wife was? If so, their marriage certificate would provide his father's name.

1881

James GREGORY Head M Male 59 Blackwell, Derby, England Carpenter
Jane GREGORY Wife M Female 45 Ripley, Derby, England
Hannah GREGORY Dau Female 10 Chesterfield, Derby, England Scholar
Polly GREGORY Dau Female 8 Newbold, Derby, England Scholar
Charles W. GREGORY Son Male 8 Newbold, Derby, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 14 Pottery Lane
Census Place Newbold & Dunston, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341821
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3433 / 57
Page Number 15


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