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1901 England Census
about Edith Rosa Perry
Name: Edith Rosa Perry
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Winton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Wimborne St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Wimborne St Giles
Town: St Giles
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wimborne
Sub registration district: Cranborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
William Perry 33Head, born St Giles Dorset, Gardener Domestic
Maria Perry 36 wife born Handley Dorset
Edith Rosa Perry 6 daughter bor Winton
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1974; Folio: 138; Page: 10.

possible birth:


Births Jun 1895
Perry Edith ROSA Christchurch 2b 636


PERRY Edith ROSE Christchurch.2b 636 2 1895

DEATH

Name Title Date Of Birth District District Code Volume No. Volume Page Register No. Entry No. Month Year
Month of Reg. Year of Reg. Add

GIRGAN Edith Rose 12-MAR-1895 EAST DORSET 4261B B7 019 Jan 2000


GIRGAN Edith Rose 12-MAR-1895 EAST DORSET 4261B B7 019 Jan 2000

For some reason, it is listed twice.

Births Mar 1927
Girgan Marjorie J mmn Perry Hendon 3a 513


her parents marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1926
Girgan Charles Perry Wimborne 5a 641
Perry Edith R Girgan Wimborne 5a 641

Some - only possible - marriages:

Marriages Jun 1922
TURNER Frederick Pett Chertsey vol 2a page 155
PETT Catherine Turner Chertsey vol 2a page 155


Marriages Sep 1919
Richards Beatrice Turner Chertsey 2a 171
Turner Phillip Richards Chertsey 2a 17


Marriages Mar 1930
Bowyer May I Turner Guildford 2a 201
Turner Sidney Bowyer Guildford 2a 201


a selection for Frank Turner:


Marriages Sep 1915
Church Edith Turner Guildford 2a 269
Turner Frank Church Guildford 2a 269

Marriages Dec 1927
RUSSELL Adelaide A Turner Chertsey 2a 200
Turner Frank Russell Chertsey 2a 200

Marriages Sep 1929
Turner Frank Woodhams Chertsey 2a 207
Woodhams Violet Turner Chertsey 2a 207

marriage
Ernest H C Paine........Marjorie J Girgan
Wandsworth
2nd qtr 1949
vol 5d page 1619


DEATH

PAINE Ernest Herbert C born 20-OCT-1922
SALISBURY
District code:7951A
Register no: A55C
Entry no: 174
month & year: Jan 2002


DEATH

PAINE Alan Kenneth born 30-Nov-1929
KINGS LYNN
District code: 637/1B
Register no:94B
Entry no:15
month & Year:Mar 2003

Brenda

Here is a marriage for a Frances Turner........could she be yours?

Marriages Dec 1921
Paine Ernest G Turner Chertsey 2a 146
Turner Frances Paine Chertsey 2a 146


and possible children?

Births Dec 1922
Paine Ernest H C Turner Guildford 2a 130


Births Dec 1929
Paine Alan K Turner Chertsey 2a 116

these?

Births Sep 1923
Paine John E Turner Portsmouth 2b 905
Births Sep 1924
Paine Thomas J Turner Shoreditch 1c 66
Births Jun 1928
Paine Maurice J Turner Easthampstead 2c 717



Brenda

1871 England Census
about Betsy Smith
Name: Betsy Smith
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where born: Bisley, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Ashford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: looks like Travelling

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Staines
Sub registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 37 Traveller born Chertsey
Mary A Smith 34 born Kent
Thomas Smith 15 born Berkshire
Mary A Smith 13 born Surrey
William Smith 11 born Ascot
John Smith 8 born Bisley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Betsy Smith 6 born Bisley
Henry Smith 4 born Egham
Joseph Smith 1 born Bisley
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1303; Folio: 28; Page: 19; GSU roll: 838776.

The then soon to be wife of Herbert Turner ( re marriage in 1886 Chertsey on previous page). Note that the place of birth is also same as on the 1911 census ie Bisley.


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Smith
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>>Where born: Bisley, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Windlesham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Chertsey Rd (3 Fair Carts)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Games Assistant

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 42 Head born Chertsey, Proprietor of Roundabouts & Swings ( P games Ser)
Mary Ann Smith 44 Wife born Horsmonden Kent
Mary Ann Thomas 23 born Blackwater Hampshire, Games Assistant
William Smith 21 son born Ascot Berkshire, Games Assistant
John Smith 19 son born Frimley, Games Assistant
>>>>>>>>>>>Elizabeth Smith 15 daughter, Games Assistant
Lavinia Smith 13 daughter born Egham, Games Assistant
Albert Smith 9 son born Aldershot, Games Assistant
Amy Smith 4 daughter born Woking
John Thomas 21 son in law, born Lambeth , Games Assistant
William Lane 19 Games Assistant
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 771; Folio: 19; Page: 31; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341181.

Brenda

Again............. only possible births:-


Births Sep 1892
Turner Philip Guildford 2a 55

Births Jun 1894
Turner Frank Guildford 2a 62

Births Mar 1897
Turner Frederick Guildford 2a 73

Births Sep 1898
Turner Agnes Mary A Guildford 2a 64

Births Jun 1902
TURNER Lily Guildford 2a 69

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
TURNER Sidney Guildford 2a 87

and this must be your Francis as per 1911 census.

Births Jun 1904
Turner Francis Guildford 2a 82

Hello All esp. Moody Blue wh is a complete star!!!

I've been out this afternoon and was delighted to read all the contributions.

The Elizabeth Dear ref. is a Red Herring - I've been down that dead end before.

I'm 99.99999% sure you've found the right people on the 1911 census, it has the right occupation and they have a daughter Francis (I have been looking for a Frances female spelling) who is my wife's great grandmother. We now have no way of validating anything about the Turners as my wifes mother has a dementia affecting her long term and short term memory, but we'd like to be able to tell her a little more about her family history before it's too late.

Thank you all again for all your efforts...... you've found out far more and given me much more information that I ever expected.

kindest regards

Ian

Is this the correct Herbert in 1911?

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
TURNER, HERBERT HEAD MARRIED M 45 HORSE SLAUGHTER CHERTSEY S URREY
TURNER, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 24 F 43 BESLEY SURREY
TURNER, PHILIP SON SINGLE M 19 HORSE SLAUGHTER WOKING SURREY
TURNER, FRANK SON SINGLE M 17 ERRAND BOY CHEMICAL WOKING SURREY
TURNER, FRED SON SINGLE M 14 ERRAND BOY GENERAL WOKING SURREY
TURNER, AGNES DAUGHTER SINGLE F 12 SCHOOL WOKING SURREY
TURNER, AGNES DAUGHTER SINGLE F 9 SCHOOL WOKING SURREY ( this reads Lilly on the original census form)
TURNER, FRANCIS DAUGHTER SINGLE F 6 SCHOOL WOKING SURREY
TURNER, SIDNEY SON SINGLE M 3 SCHOOL WOKING SURREY


TURNER HERBERT (RG14PN3034 RG78PN107 RD33 SD1 ED7 SN205)
Address 103 CHURCH ST WOKING SURREY County Surrey
District Guildford Subdistrict Woking
Enumeration District 7

They had 11 Children, 9 living, 2 dead

1851 England Census
about William Turner
Name: William Turner
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Chertsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Chertsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Chertsey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chertsey
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Mason 60
Sarah Mason 5??
Allen Mason 21
William Turner 25
Eliza Turner 23
William Turner 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1593; Folio: 158; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193490.



1861 England Census
about William Turner
Name: William Turner
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Chertsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Chertsey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chertsey
Sub registration district: Chertsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Household Members:
Name Age
William Turner 36 cattle man
Eliza Turner 33
William Turner 12
Eliza Turner 9
Albert Turner 5
Walter Turner 4
Emily Turner 1
Francis Mason 70
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 422; Folio: 64; Page: 29; GSU roll: 542635.

Then this must be little Alfred's birth which would confirm the mothers maiden name:

Births Dec 1890
Turner Alfred Guildford 2a 56


and would this be Herbert's death?

Deaths Jun 1928
Turner Herbert age 64 Guildford 2a 130

Brenda

Possible marriage:

Herbert Turner......Elizabeth Smith
Chertsey
3rd qtr 1886
vol 2a page 66

Brenda

Found Herbert and Elizabeth on the 1901 but mistransccribed again as Robert Turner!! There is a big black smudge over his first name but it is def. Herbert.
This Herbert is a Cattle Dealer.



1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Turner
Name: Elizabeth Turner
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Woking, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Guildford
Sub registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Turner 26 ( Herbert) 1865 Ha Ha!! Charley, Surrey<< it is Chertsey Surrey<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Turner 23 1868 Woking, Surrey
Herbert Turner 4 1887 Woking, Surrey<<<<<<<<<<<<?
Alfred Turner 6/12 Woking, Surrey
Joseph Turner 42 Lodger 1849 Newhall, Surrey


RG12; Piece: 555; Folio 41; Page 32

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Herbert Richard Turner
Name: Herbert Richard Turner
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chertsey
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: [8_]7 ?????????????? It is 2a 87

Elizabeth Dear 1892 Gravesend (1837-1941) Kent

Herbert Richard Turner 1892 Chertsey Surrey

Hello again Moody Blue

Believe it or not that's not his marriage record!! I found that one about a month ago. Despite the fact that I thought his wife's name was Elizabeth, Ellen didn't seem too far off and I thought the Chertsey and Herbert Richard links made it seem plausible, so I applied for the marriage certificate, but alas it wasn't him. I am fairly sure his wife was an Elizabeth, certain he was born in Chertsey or Woking and was either a cattle and/or dealer or slaughterman (or knackerman) as that fits with what we know so far. Thanks for your help nvertheless.
kind regards
Ian

Is this the marriage fo Herbert R Turner?

Marriages Sep 1892
CHANDLER Arthur Chertsey 2a 87
Clarke Ellen Chertsey 2a 87
>>>>>>LEVERMORE Ellen Martha Chertsey 2a 87
>>>>>>Turner Herbert Richard Chertsey 2a 87



1901 England Census
about Herbert R Turner
Name: Herbert R Turner
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen M
Gender: Male
Where born: Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornton Heath St Paul
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 71
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert R Turner 36
Ellen M Turner 29
Lucy M Turner 8
Elie J Turner 7
Mable R Turner 6
Herbert L Turner 4
Olive G Turner 2
Lennard Turner under 1 month
Rebickah Livermore 2

Thanks for all your replies. Mel, I'm fairly sure you have found the marriage record for HR's mother and father as we had an Eliza from the 1881 census, very many thanks for that. And Moody Blue, yes I'm sure he was born in Woking or Chertsey and his forenames are Herbert Richard.

Many thanks to all who have replied, I'll now apply for his Birth Certificate.

Ian