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I would like to find out if two of my aunts were married. They are Mary Ann Edwards b abt 1873 and Ellen E Edwards b abt 1875. Both born in Addlestone, Surrey. Their parents were James Henry Edwards b 1847 in Ewell, Surrey and Mary Ann Overton b 1847 in Addlestone, Surrey. Any help will be much appreciated.

Roy.... There are literally hundreds of Mary ann Edwards.......Have you got either of these 2 Aunts on any census? if so it will narrow down a time frame for searching, but the only way you get parents details {fathers] is from a marriage cert. or Parish record of the marriage, and though they were born in surrey ,this is no proof that they married there.

Please put up any details you have that show when they were still spinsters.


Nicky

So this is the family in 1881?....


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jas. Hy. EDWARDS Head M Male 34 Ewell, Surrey, England Signal Fitters Assistant (Raily Contractor)
Mary A. EDWARDS Wife M Female 34 Addlestone, Surrey, England
Mary A. EDWARDS Daur Female 8 Addlestone, Surrey, England
Ellen E. EDWARDS Daur Female 6 Addlestone, Surrey, England
Jas. Hy. EDWARDS Son Male 5 Addlestone, Surrey, England
Herbert Chas. EDWARDS Son Male 2 Lambeth, Surrey, England
Arthur Fredk. EDWARDS Son Male 8 m Lambeth, Surrey, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 9 Barnes Terrace
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341134
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0586 / 88
Page Number 60

Will go and see if I can find them in a later census.

EDIT.... sorry Roy I cant find any of the family in a later census, I presume one of the children is your grand parent, so do you know if the family emigrated or anything?
Nicky

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 508

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Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Elizabeth St Saviour 1d 16

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 508

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Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Elizabeth St Saviour 1d 16

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Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Eliza Croydon 2a 587

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Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Eliza Camberwell 1d 1498

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Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen Elizabeth Kingston 2a 747

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Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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EDWARDS Ellen Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d 912


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen E Bell Lambeth 1d 692

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Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen E Baker Epsom 2a 38

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Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
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EDWARDS Ellen E Beesley Dorking 2a 412

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Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
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Edwards Ellen E M Wright Chertsey 2a 16

Nickydownsouth and Jean, Sorry I couldn't respond yesterday, having computer problems.
I do not have much detail to give. There was another son, George Thomas b 1882 who was my father, but when he was alive I never knew he had any siblings. Both his parents died in 1889/91 so I presume, being only 9, he must have gone into an orphanage, but have no knowledge of this.
As you will gather I know so little of my family so I do not know if any of them emigrated.
I do apologise, but being new to this, I did not appreciate exactly what was involved.
Thanks for your help and understanding.
Regards Roy

No need to apologise Roy.... we all have to start somewhere, and this geneaology thing is a real learning curve,,,,,,going offfline now, but will look for George Thomas your father in 1891,1901 and 1911 when i`m next back.


Nicky

hiya roy i came across a geoge thoas crocker edwards from surrywho married a jessie pedgrift just thought id say as i was looking for u

Roy, so working on the theory that your grand parents were in Lambeth in 1881, I presume that this is your fathers birth registeration, Do you already have his birth cert.? if not you can order it from the GRO for £7.00, this will help you trace your family back further, and confirm parents names which you can match with the 1881 census entry to be sure you have the correct person.

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Edwards George Thomas Lambeth 1d 353


Nicky

Roy.... The only possibility I can find for your father is this one in 1901, do you know was he in the services?


George Edwards
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Cosham
Ecclesiastical parish: Widley St Mary Magdalene and Wymering St Peter and St Paul
Town: Cosham and Hilsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Driver SRFA

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Fareham
Sub registration district: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: Hilsea Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age

Nicky

Do you have your fathers marriage cert.? or know where he married and when? if so you will know your mothers maiden name.


Nicky

Here's Ellen's birth:

Births Sep 1874
EDWARDS Ellen Eliza Chertsey 2a 40


Rose

Marriages Jun 1898
Edwards Ellen Eliza Croydon 2a 587
Fisher John Croydon 2a 587

1901 England Census
about Ellen E Fisher
Name: Ellen E Fisher
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John H
Gender: Female
Where born: Chertsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 293
Household Members: Name Age
John H Fisher 27
Ellen E Fisher 26
Henry J Fisher 2
Walter G Fisher 4 months

Rose

Sorry I have not come back with the info you asked for but have to keep leaving the computer. have to leave it now, will get back later. Thanks for what you are all doing.
Roy

At last, back at the computer for a short time.
Yes I do have my fathers birth certificate and the registration was 1d 353.
He did serve in the army. I don't know when he joined, possible under age, particularly If he had been in an orphanage or home.
From what you have discovered, it appears to be him at Hilsea Barracks in 1901. Perhaps I can find out something about those barracks.I have seen some information about his regiment (2nd Battallion Rifle Brigade). They returned from India in 1914 and then went to France. He married in 1918 to Florence Emily Browning in Wanstead, Essex.
I have some details of mothers siblings, but nothing of my fathers, hence my interest in the two aunts.
I presume to confirm the marriage found by Rose, I would need to obtain a copy of the marriage cert to establish Ellen's parents are correct. I see in the details it says Ellen was born in Chertsey, but in the 1881 record it says born in Addlestone?
Thanks again for your help.

Roy

Roy.... Addlestone is a village very close to Chertsey.......Chertsey is simply the registeration district for that area, if you want to order her birth cert, and want to make sure it is the correct one you can stipulate parents names, that way if it is not the correct one, you will only be charged £3 or £4, instead of the whole £7.00.

You could stipulate fathers name for the marriage cert. as well, and then the same pricing policy will apply.


Nicky

Roy,

What are the details of the marriage cert - witnesses, age, father and father's occupation?

Did you order the birth cert. based on this info?

Rose

Thanks for explanation re Chertsey/Addlestone.

The details on the marriage cert which is dated 29th June 1918 are: witnesses- Ellen Alexander and Martha Archer my father age 35, Soldier, his father is given also as 'George Thomas Edwards' deceased.
This error in Gfather's name mislead us initially especially as father's cert of registry of birth was very basic and gave no details of parents.
My brother obtained a copy of the birth registry entry which gives the fathers name as James Henry, Signal Fitter, and mother Mary Ann Overton.
They were living at 10 Barnes Terrace, Lambeth. This was 20th Nov 1882.

Roy

Roy....... have looked through Ancestry for any Army service/medal records for your father but unfortunatly drew a blank.....



Nicky

Nicky........we have managed to obtain father's medal records but no details of his army service. I understand a lot of those records were destroyed during WW11. What we are short of now is what happened to father, and the other children after both parents had died. I must try to find out more about the Hilsea Barracks in 1901
I shall try to get certificates of the two sisters possible marriages, to hopefully fill in the gaps there. Thanks for the tip about costs of certs.
Also a visit to the National Archives would no doubt be helpful.
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Many thanks for all your searching on my behalf.

Roy

Good luck with it all Roy.......




Nicky