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Hi Minnie

Love your story about the 5 year pregnancy - we all seem to have some interesting ancestors!

Best wishes

Liz

Hi Victoria

Many thanks for the website. I haven't found anything I'm sure about on Ellen yet but my attention is beginning to wander and I've found some marriages with the later generations of family.

Best wishes

Liz

I know the area well, Boxmoor prob better than Watford actually.

The house stayed in the Tomlin family for 100 years because My Daniel and Florence bought the house over the years. A couple of years after my Daniel died ( he died in his 30's - his Horse came home without him, it had flung him off somewhere), Florence had a son Henry George.( named Dead Daniel as his dad lol! 5 year pregnancy Uh huh!)

(Henry) known as George or 'Tom' George never married , and died in the house he was born in aged 88, just a few years ago.

The other children of the marriage were all 3 girls,who all married, so that ended that Tomlin line.

Hi Minnie

I'm sure we're related somewhere along the line. My mom often talked of Watford. I left England when I was 4 so don't know the area.

There seemed to be lots of Daniel Tomlins - very easy to mix them up. I have a grandson Daniel, but he's not a Tomlin!

Lovely to have a house in the family for 100 years - you must know a lot of its history.

Good luck with your Tomlins.

Liz

MMm. not related - well, are probably but not in the way I thought.

actually this has all set me back a peg or two, because, as you do occasionally, I worked on an assumption.....!

Tiddle tiddle ! Why was I tight fisted and not buy My Daniel & Florences wedding cert? DOH! how silly I am.

As I said, we are still prob related. My Tomlins owned the same house in Watford for over 100 years. Near the football ground

update:
IGNORE ME! I have got the wedding cert - My Daniels father was called Daniel too. A labourer
My Daniel married in Dec 1902- aged 22 - residence watford ( helpfully).

You wouldnt want to be related to someone as daft as me anyway! :-))

Updated again....
I do remeber sussing this out now.
My Daniel in 1891 is

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1127; Folio 189; Page 15; GSU roll: 6096237.

he's visting somewhere in 1901 census

1901
Name: Ellen Tomlin
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bowmore, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Housemaid

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Westminster
Sub registration district: St Anne Soho

Hi Minnie

Thanks for your contact. My grandfather Daniel Tomlin married Emily Pearce in 1911 and they had nine children, my mother Gladys was the oldest followed by another four girls and four boys. Daniel died in 1956.

Do you have any other Tomlin family members - I remember my mother talking of a Lillian (Lil) and a Florence so they could have been related from the earlier Daniel (1811), may have been cousins?? Daniel had at least two brothers.

Best wishes

Liz

Look up the marriages on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

click on the page number and it will give you the grooms names

the Berkhampstead one is most likely as it nearest to Hemel Hempstead or the Pancras one as it was near where she was working

Hi Elizabeth.

I am related to that family Tomlin, thru Daniel.

not that I can tell you any more about Ellen- sorry.

Daniel married in Watford, and had 3 daughters, can look up dates if you want me to.

His wife was Florence Vincent

Alice Ellen 1904,
Lillian florence 1907
Edith louisa 1909


(If Daniel was your grandfather, you MUST be my mothers cousin - he was her grandfather too, although he died before she was born)

Dear Victoria

Many thanks for all the info on Ellen and family. I wish I knew the names of the bridegrooms of the various Ellens in the marriages as my mother often spoke of various relatives and I might remember the name.

If she is the servant in the 1891 census she must have changed from the normal female occupation of my family of straw plaiter, which in Mary Anne's case eventually became a straw hat maker.

Mary Anne Pipkin was my great grandmother and Edward's third and last wife. Daniel was my grandfather. Edward was supposed to be "an old devil" but my mother knew him as a child and thought a great deal of him.

Thanks for the help

Liz

1891

presumably wife no 3 was MAry Ann

Name: Edward Tomlin
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hemel Hempstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Hemel Hempstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Name Age
Edward Tomlin 41
Mary Ann Tomlin 29
Daniel Tomlin 2
James Riphin 27 boarder

Looks like Ellen is in London

Name: Ellen Tomlin
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bowmore, Hertfordshire, England ***

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Benet and All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

****should read Boxmoor which is part of Hemel Hempstead

these are therefore possibilities for marraiges

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Tomlin Ellen Daisy Poplar 1c 979

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Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Tomlin Ellen Pancras 1b 124

3 options for Ellen marriage in Hertfordshire

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
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TOMLIN Ellen St Albans 3a 863

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Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Tomlin Ellen Berkhampstead 3a 965

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Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Tomlin Ellen St. Albans 3a 662

Hi Jackie

Many thanks for your suggestion but unfortunately they don't know any more than I do.

Thanks and best wishes

Liz

Hi JenW

Ellen was born about 1871 according to census and Edward's first wife, Sarah Rhodes, who he married in 1870, died in 1872 - with the census date it's possible that Ellen was born in 1872 and Sarah died in childbirth.

Clara Simmons was wife no 2 and they were married in 1876 so couldn't (I don't think!) have been Ellen's mother. (I'm descended from wife no 3 married 1888!).

It's a pity that the census isn't taken every five years - the jump from 10 to 20 years old is very big and much can happen in that time!

Many thanks

Liz

Hi Elizabeth

Have you tried searching other trees there are four matches on here with dob and birth place

Jackie

1881 England Census
about Ellen Tomlin
Name: Ellen Tomlin
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Clara
Gender: Female
Where born: H Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hemel Hempstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address: Cowper Road
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Sub registration district: Hemel Hempstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Tomlin 31
Clara Tomlin 28
Ellen Tomlin 10

I have an Ellen Tomlin, born about 1871 in Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire. Her father was Edward Tomlin (1850) and mother Sarah Rhodes (1851-1872).

In the 1881 census she was living at Cowper Road Hemel Hempstead.

The 1891 census she would have been about 20 and presumably married but no idea of her married name, or if she was still alive.

Can anyone find something about Ellen after 1881?

Thanks

Liz