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A big thank you to everyone for helping me with Mary Mogridge, who is actually MUGGERIDGE. It looks like I have a whole family to work on now,because Mary had brothers and sisters, as well as a husband and other children besides my grandfather, Arthur.

All the threads tie in now, so I'm really excited!

Thank you EvieBeavie for your hint on double spacing - it does make it easier to read. I'm still new at this, so I appreciate any help.

I put the wrong birth year for Arthur, which confused some of you, so my apologies for that. Must have had my mind in neutral.

Thank you all again for your help, it's made my day.

Julie

This looked like the marriage for Mary Ann's parents:

Dec. Qtr. 1849 Vol.8 page 52 Chippenham- 8 individuals include William Mogeridge and a Jane Thrasher.

Then found an extracted entry on IGI which confirms it:

William Mogeridge married Jane Thrasher 23/12/1849 Chippenham, Wilts.

Annette

Mary Ann's birth registered as Muggeridge - Sept. qtr. 1859 Chippenham.

Annette

Looks as if Mary was working as a servant in London in 1881 - name transcribed as Mary Maggridge, 22 - housemaid at 69 South Audley Street, St. George, London (Mayfair). - Ref. RG11 - Piece 96 - Folio 29 - Page 11.

Annette

One should always do a board search first ...

Julie, have you seen this thread?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1111341

"17th December 2008 19:30
Trying to find any information on Mary Moggridge born1857 in Chippenham Wiltshire ,2nd wife of Mark Frampton born 1847 Cattistock Dorset. Married 1883. Thankyou John"

Perhaps John is a family member you are in contact with and/or the source of your info?

Mark Frampton's household in 1881 in Marylebone:

Mark Frampton 34 (occupation Ostler)
Rose Frampton 37
George A. Frampton 5
Walter C. Frampton 1


But where's Mary ........

Well, Arthur's details in 1891 certainly match!

Name: Arthur Frampton
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mark
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Chippenham, Wiltshire, England

Name: Mary Frampton
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Mark
Where born: Chippenham, Wiltshire, England


You can see the dividing line in the births:

Mark Frampton 44 (occupation "Ostler (Groom)")
Mary Frampton 31
George Frampton 15 - Mark's child before the marriage, born Marylebone
Arthur Frampton 12 - Mary's child before the marriage, born Chippenham
Walter Frampton 11 - Mark's child before the marriage, born Marylebone
Mark Frampton 6
Daisy Frampton 5
Emma Frampton 3
Percy Frampton 1

the younger ones being children of the marriage.


You need the marriage certificate to get Mary's father's name as stated on it.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Spelled with two Gs. ;)

1891 census
has Mark Frampton aged 44
Mary Frampton 31 (who I've been told was my Mary Mogridge)
George aged 15
Arthur aged 12
Walter 11
Mark 6
Daisy 5
Emma 3
Percy 1


So ... have you looked for / found the Frampton-Mogridge marriage?

... I did. To no avail.

Oh, nope; checked again for marriage of Frampton to Mo*, and it's there, 1883.

Is it likely that Mary was in St George Hanover Square?

1881 census
has Jane Mogridge aged 50
William, son aged 30
Jane, daughter aged 16
James, son aged 14
>>> Arthur, son aged 2.


This is absolutely consistent with the birth record we have reproduced in this thread:

Births Mar 1879
Moggridge Arthur Sydney Chippenham 5a 75

He would have just turned 2 before the 1881 census.

Is this not your Arthur, in the 1881 census??


Again:

1891 census
has Mark Frampton aged 44
Mary Frampton 31 (who I've been told was my Mary Mogridge)
George aged 15
>> Arthur aged 12
Walter 11
Mark 6
Daisy 5
Emma 3
Percy 1

i.e. DOB 1879, not 1875.

It does kind of make a difference, because a Mary who was one year old in 1861 is slightly less likely to have had a child in 1875 than in 1879.

"Arthur's birth cert. gives his mother's name as Mary Mogridge, father unknown. Arthur was born 1875 in Chippenham, Wiltshire in the Union Workhouse."

Julie, why is it that he doesn't appear in the GRO index?

We've all searched at FreeBMD and found nothing.

Oh hmm. I wonder whether it's because June quarter 1875 doesn't seem to have been transcribed by FreeBMD.

I searched for Arthur born in Chippenham in 1875, and there are a half-dozen in each of the other quarters, and none in June quarter.

No, that can't be it. There are Johns transcribed for Chippenham for that quarter. And there are other Mo* surnames in Chippenham in that quarter.

Could you give us his actual date of birth? Is this a certificate that you ordered from the GRO, and if so how did you find the registration? Or is it the actual original certificate?

There just isn't an Arthur or a Mo* birth in Chippenham in 1875 at FreeBMD that looks anything like.

We know you're looking for Mary, but we just want to start with the facts, ma'am!

A tip. Could you hit "Enter" twice between segments of your post to space it as in this post? It's really quite difficult to plough through a post of prose and lists without some spaces. ;)

Thank you everyone who answered my query about my grandfather, Athur Sydney Mogridge. I'm sorry I haven't answered before this, haven't been near the computer.
This is what I have:
Arthur's birth cert. gives his mother's name as Mary Mogridge, father unknown. Arthur was born 1875 in Chippenham, Wiltshire in the Union Workhouse.
1861 census gives me Mary Ann Mogridge, age 1 year, born Chippenham, Wiltshire. Father William, mother Jane, both 34 years old, both born Frome, Somerset. Other children were William, aged 10, Emma, aged 4.
1871 census
has Emma Mogridge, niece of John and Mary Singer, High St. Chippenham, working as a general domestic. She would have been 11 years old, which is about right for those days.
1881 census
has Jane Mogridge aged 50
William, son aged 30
Jane, daughter aged 16
James, son aged 14
Arthur, son aged 2.
Husband Wiliiam is not listed, not is Mary or Emma. Had William died, and were Mary and Emma working away from home?
1891 census
has Mark Frampton aged 44
Mary Frampton 31 (who I've been told was my Mary Mogridge)
George aged 15
Arthur aged 12
Walter 11
Mark 6
Daisy 5
Emma 3
Percy 1
In the 1901 census Arthur is not listed, probably because he had joined the Royal Navy, from which he deserted in 1898.(NSW PG 1898: Ships Deserters.) In 1900 he was in Strahan, Tasmania, Australia, where he changed his name to Alfred Sydney Haigh, and married my grandmother, Julia Cohen.
I know this is a bit of a novel, but if anyone can make sense of this for me, I would be very grateful. I've been looking for info on Mary Mogridge for years, and it looks as though I'm finally getting close.
Thank you
Julie

Does the birth cert have a fathers name?

Is there any occupation for his mother?
Did Arthur go to another country if so when?

I can't see another arthur on the 1881 census with a mother mary. I'm guessing from the orginial post the birth certificate has already been brought.

from wiltshire bmd
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
MOGGRIDGE Arthur S Chippenham History Centre CHIP/22/262

1881 England Census
about Arthur Mogeridge
Name: Arthur Mogeridge
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Chippenham, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Chippenham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address: Malmesbury Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub registration district: Chippenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Mogeridge 50
William Mogeridge 30
Jane Mogeridge 16
James Mogeridge 14
Arthur Mogeridge 2

1901 census

Address 2 Courthope Rd
Civil Parish St Pancras
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish All Hallows
Parliamentary Borough or Division St Pancras N
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District S Pancras
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Alice Mogridge
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Devon Tiverton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Arthur Mogridge
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Carpenter
Employment Status
Where Born Devon Tiverton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Arthur Mogridge
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Devon Tiverton
Language
Infirmity
is this him in 1901

Yeah ... from searching the boards here, MOGGRIDGE was my next guess. ;)

Births Mar 1879
Moggridge Arthur Sydney Chippenham 5a 75


Wrong spelling, way wrong year of birth.

I don't mind people guesstimating -- if they will just for heaven's sake not state non-facts as if they were facts!

I think his name wasn't Arthur Mogridge ...

Maybe Julie will give us a coherent explanation of what she's after!

Hmm ... he wasn't Arthur Mogridge? Can you tell us what his surname was? (If you posted on a "surname board", only people reading that board can see it. The rest of us reading the general TTF board have no clue and can't trace it back. Stupid system? you bet. If you are looking at a surname board, click the link at the top to return to the general board.)

The only Arthur Mogridge born 1875 is:

Births Jun 1875
Mogridge Arthur John Tiverton 5b 424

His birth cert says mother was 'Mary' ... Mogridge?

But why would it be Jane, then?

Do you have him in censuses?