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Gosh. . . you're all fab. This one appears to be a toughy! The witnesses named on the marriage cert are Frederick Martin Pettit, Annie's dad and Florence Walker.
I don't have any family who know any further info I'm afraid. . .
I'll be working on this again next week, so look forward to conversing with you then. . .
Thank you, thank you, thank you

Amanda xxxx

How about this one??

The image is over 2 pages - perhaps someone else would take a look and see what they make of the surname - it's transcribed as Croly but it looks more like Curly to me......and father Charles is a Dock Labourer.

Name: John Croly
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Croly 32
Katherine Croly 34
Charles P Croly 8
Frederick D Croly 6
Katherine Croly 5
John Croly 4
Louisa Croly 3
William Croly 1


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 397; Folio: 165; Page: 18.

Mary

ps......who were the witnesses on the marriage cert Amanda?

Sorry, Amanda, I can't find John with his father anywhere. There are two John Curleys coming up in the 1911 born London, but neither are living with a Charles. There is nothing at all coming up for Curly.

1901:

1901 England Census
about John Carley
Name: John Carley ................... image says Corley !! ??
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: ***St Saviour Union Infirmary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 503; Folio: 135; Page: 22.

Source Information:

It needs looking into but it is a possible?

Dea x

So, his birth was 1897/8. River Lighterman suggests the Thames and London.

Only two John Curley births in London for 1897/8:

Births Mar 1898
Curley John Lambeth 1d 330

Births Dec 1898
CURLEY John Chelsea 1a 385

The one born Chelsea is on the 1901, with a father Hugh, a supernumary postman (whatever that is!)

The one born Lambeth, has father John, Carman.

Doesn't look as if either is yours!

Again, thank you all for your help in this. . . The details have from the Marriage cert of John Curly to Annie Pettit are:
John Curly age 26 years Bachelor, General Labourer living at 32 Carlton Row, Brighton. Father's Name, Charles Curly (deceased) River Lighterman.
Annie Pettit, 27, spinster living at 32 Carlton Row, Brighton. Father's name Frederick Martin Pettit, General Labourer. We have traced Annie and her family.
The marriage took place in Brighton at the Register Office on 09/08/1924.
I hope this info helps.. .

Could Amanda please give us ALL the details from the marriage cert?

Names, ages, addresses, occupations, fathers, witnesses etc............

Then perhaps we can help.

Dea x

Possible births. Who and where did John marry?

Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Curley John Walsall 6b 731

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Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Curley John Stockport 8a 33

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Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Curley John Thomas R Leeds 9b 487

PM from Amanda:
My Grandad was John Curly. I'm not sure how I'm going to find out whether the info you've given me is that of my family, but I have no idea how I can confirm who he is.
We know from his Marriage cert in 1924 that his dad was Charles Curly. However, I have no idea where he originates from, or where Charles was from.
We thought John was born in 1897 and I know his birthday is 06/10. However, I wondered if the 1891 of this John could be a typo.?!?
Any tips would be appreciated.
Kind Regards Amanda

O.K. - what 'facts' are you working from?

How did you get to Charles CURLY and what info do you have on him?

Dea x

thank you very much to all. . . not sure how i'm going to confirm if the John CULLY you have found is the John CURLY in my family.
I know his dad was Charles CURLY but other than that we have no info.
I will keep trawling though.

Regards

James and Emma in 1891 - image is definitely Cully - is it the Curly family you are researching? If so will not look any further at the moment:

1891 England Census
about James R Cully
Name: James R Cully
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma J
Gender: Male
Where born: Bighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: St John The Evangalist Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: St John Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James R Cully 62
Emma J Cully 63
Louisa Cully 22

This is james in 1891, so the surname appears to be CULLY.

Name: James R Cully
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma J
Gender: Male
Where born: Bighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: St John The Evangalist Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: St John Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James R Cully 62
Emma J Cully 63
Louisa Cully 22

I have found it on GR - transcribed as Curly. I think it looks more like Cully, as in the Ancestry transcription, found by Richard.

Is this the family you are refering to?

Name: John Cully
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, London, England

Civil Parish: St John The Evangelist Westminster and St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: St Margaret and St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 297
Household Members:
Name Age
James R Cully 72
Emma Cully 73
John Cully 10

As far as I can see - there is no James + Emma on 1901 ????????

More info please.

Dea x

I think this could be the one Richard found; no sign of James and Emma:
1901 England Census
about John Curley
Name: John Curley
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ratcliff, London, England

Civil Parish: Ratcliff
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Stepney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Ratcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
John Curley 32
Margaret Curley 34
Elizabeth Curley 12
John Curley 10
Catherine Curley 8
Margaret Curley 5
Ellen Curley 4

I cannot see this family on 1901 - could you give the reference please?

Dea x

?????

Name: John Curley
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Stepney (To 1921)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 444

I have found John Curly, 10, in the 1901 census living with James R, 72 and Emma, 73, both also Curly. They were living at 32 Bessborough Place, St Margaret and St John, The Evangelist, Westminster, London.
I have searched the BMDs from 1890 to 1900 and still cannot find him or the other two named Curly's.
Would someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Any help in this matter would be gratefully appreciated.
Regards
Amanda