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me again yes hesther is also the sister that is hesther alice maria or alice maria or esther all the same person

Hi Rambling,

Can you find William John Upcott with his wife Elizabeth on the '41 & '51 census.
William was born in Lympstone in 1818 but I do not know the birthplace of Elizabeth.

They were married in Westminster in 1840 and a first child, Louisa was born in St Pancras in c 1843.

Thank you

Chris

rambling rose
yes i do have the marriage cert of theodore and dorothy also both there death cert and the cert of there children doris and maurice

This is a possible for Dorothy Ellis on 1901, notice that she has a sister Hester ?...

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1901 England Census
about Dorothy Ellis
Name: Dorothy Ellis
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St Luke, London, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
William Ellis 42
Mary Ellis 42
Hester Ellis 20
Dorothy Ellis 14
Isabelle Ellis 10
Kathleen Ellis 6
Maria Ellis

Hi Rambling Rose
Wonder if you could possibly help
I'm looking for help with finding a Mary Garrett - married James Wood in 1886 in liverpool. i'm trying to trace her family - think she may have been born 1866/7 according to the marriage record

Springtime this is the marriage which you obv have of Theodore to Dorothy

Marriages Mar 1913

Ellis Dorothy M Kuhl Pancras 1b 216
Kuhl Theodor V Ellis Pancras 1b 216

Hah, typical! But that's great - thanks so much for that, will keep them both and hope I can narrow it down in the future.

Michelle, there are a couple here , one Halton...one Warton!

1851 England Census
about John Gorst
Name: John Gorst
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Catharine
Gender: Male
Where born: Halton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Over Kellet
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub registration district: Caton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Gorst 32
Catharine Gorst 23
John Gorst 3
William Thomas Gorst 7 Mo

1851 England Census
about John Gorst
Name: John Gorst
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hanah
Gender: Male
Where born: Middleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Warton With Lindeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Warton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub registration district: Caton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Hanah Gorst 38
Ellen Gorst 16
John Gorst 3
Eliza Gorst 1

thanks rambling rose
off to peel the spuds for dinner now if i come up with any more i will get back to you

Springtime I confess I am absolutely stumped on this one, except to say that the name Kuhl seems likely to be German ...I will get back to you if I can find anything today

rose x

Hello,
Am trying to find John Gorst (sometimes shown as Goose) on the 1851 census. All I know is he was born around 1849 in Halton/Warton ? Lancashire. Have no idea who parents / siblings would have been I'm afraid. If you could have a quick look I'd be very grateful.

Michelle

also the next child they had was charles ellis alice seen to change her name from esther alice maria ellis to hesther alice eliis and on her death cert it is alice esther kuhl i do know that theodre married her sister dorothy eliis in 1913 but cant find the marriage of theodre and alice anyehere

right on the full brith cert of my grandfather theodore is a theodore ellis alice ellis formly grey so my grandfather victor ellis born 24 dec 1906 was the son but on the short cert victor is victor ellis kuhl we all wat though that it was a theodore kuhl but now not so sure

is Alice grey connected to him? spouse?

no i have not found him any where i think he came from belguim

Springtime have you found details of Theodore somewhere? just a cursory glance at census and can't find him yet in St Pancras.. is that his birth place or residence at some point do you know? (have also looked at freebmd to try and confirm birth with no luck...

ok rambling rose

ok Springtime will be back asap :)

hi rambling rose
thanks for the offer i am looking foe a theodore ellis born 1875 living in st pancras also a alice grey again living in st pancras

will see what I can do :)

Rose xx