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thanks for all your hard work June - but I dont mean to put a spanner in the works, but I just found another joseph jones with a son john edward living in wales:-
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Beddgelert, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanfabon
Town: Garth
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 28
Hannah Jones 24
Margaret Jones 5
John E Jones 11/12
Robert Jones 31
William J Griffiths 25

But I am sure yours is right as it even mentioned his occupation.
Thanks again June really appriciate your hard work
Wendy
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1881

Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Edgerley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Kinnerley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: Duckland
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Farmers Son

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub registration district: Knockin
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 68
Elizabeth Jones 63
Alice Jones 29
Joseph Jones 26
Arthur Jones 10
Henry Morris 4 Grandson





1871

Name: Elizabeth Lloyd
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Ness, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Ness
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Lloyd 54
Jane Lloyd 49
Joseph Lloyd 14
John Lloyd 14
Edward Lloyd 12
Richard Lloyd 9
Elizabeth Lloyd 6
Elizabeth Jones 12 servant
Richard Edwards 56 boarder


I will wait to do more till i hear from you Wendy


June x

1911 some of the family

****DEAKIN, EVELYN MAY BOARDER SINGLE F 16 MILLINER PENTRE SHROP visitor in 1901

JONES, JOSEPH RICHARD BOARDER SINGLE 17 CARPENTER HOPTON SHROP

JONES, FREDERICK THOMAS BOARDER SINGLE M 19 GROCER WEST TALTON SHROP




Address 3 HUNTER ST SHREWSBURY County Shropshire
District Atcham



June x

heres Son

1901

Name: John Edward Jones
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Ness, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Ness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Lloyd 80 head
Joseph Lloyd 44 son
Hannah Lloyd 45 daughter
Richard Edward 89 brother
John Edward Jones 10
Minnie Elizabeth Jones 5
Henry Nottingham 14 servant




June x

parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
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JONES Joseph Wrexham 11b 466
LLOYD Elizabeth Mary Wrexham 11b 466





same family has 1891

1901

Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinnerley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Ness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:Castrator/vet

Condition as to marriage: married

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 46

Mary Jane Jones 10 Ruyton of The Eleven Towns, Shropshire

Frederick Thos Jones 9

Joseph Rd Jones 7

Evlin Deakin 6 visitor



need to find son and mother


June x

I deleted my rubbish...Yes well done June, fantastic

Misty x

you are absolutely brilliant june,,well done!
viv

1891 got him

Name: John E Jones
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth M
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Ness, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: West Felton
Ecclesiastical parish: West Felton
Town: West Felton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub registration district: Knockin
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 35 Castrator / Kinnerley, Shropshire
Elizabeth M Jones 26 Great Ness, Shropshire
John E Jones 2
Mary J Jones 8/12
Anna Lloyd 35 Sister-in-law /Great Ness, Shropshire


getting tired now will look more tomorrow


June x

i think father josephs job would most likely be the 2nd of these as john edward was in farming

Caster / Castorer Made small bottles for sprinkling salt, pepper, sugar etc.
Castrator / Gelder Castrated farm animals

so now to try and find a joseph that did one of those jobs

not doing to well at the moment,sorry

there are two, john jones, in warrington of the right age on 1911
no john edward jones, but his middle name may not have been given
have you checked them and tried following them back if they had a widowed mother or father joseph?

HOUSEHOLD JONES JOHN M 1891 20 Warrington Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD JONES JOHN M 1890 21 Warrington Lancashire

Yes I have found inforamtion on my nan, Its my granfather John edward Jones that I can not find anything before his marriage to my nan - Wendy

well looks like this is your nan anyway

Name: Annie Owen
Age: 9 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah E
Gender: Female
Where born: Paddington, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Poulton With Fearnhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Padgate
Town: Poulton With Fearnhead
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Rixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah E Owen 27<<<<<<widow
John W Owen 6
Lily Owen 4
Annie Owen 9 months
John Shuttleworth 30<<<<<<<lodger

I have their marriage cert already, just can not find anything on my grandfather before this - Wendy

Just checked Ancestry marriage is there.


June x

I have their Marriage certificate : Dated 6.9.1920 in the parish of Padgate, Warrington John edward Jones age 30 Farm laborour His Father Joseph Jones (deceased) abd the occupation is very hard to make out Castrutor (well that what it looks like). my nan Annie Owen was born 24.6.1900 Her father was Thomas Owen who dies before she was born. the witnesses were Isaac Owen and ada bibby.
On my grandfathers death certificate dated 25.6.1929 it says he was killed by a collision certificate was received from deputy coroner after inquest help 27.6.1929 John's occupation at the time was dairyman
Hope this helps....

these are the only 2 marriages i can see between 1905 and 1924 at all on ,,freebmd,,for those names

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
JONES John Edward Ruthin 11b 469

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Jones John E Owen Pwllheli 11b 661
owen annie jones

Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Jones Edward Owen Prescot 8b 1306
Owen Ann J Jones Prescot 8b 1306



only marriage i can find


June x

is this is your dads birth ?

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Jones Norman C Owen Warrington 8c 390

do you have his birth certificate and if so what does it say his father does as a job
and also what are the jobs of john and joseph on your grandparents marriage certificate please.
how old was annie and what was her fathers name and job?
and who were the witnesses?
and what were the addresses that they were living at when they married?
i can not find a marriage between annie owen and john jones in warrington,on freebmd ,where did you find it please?

Wendy do you have the marriage cert ?

If so what was Josephs occupation ?


names of witnesses ?

we need help here



June x

I have added as much information as I can. Hoping that some one can help. I am not even sure if my grandfather was born in England might have been Wales.... I have no living relative that can help. so any help would be gratefully appreiciated -Wendy