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Hi Lew ~~~~


I wondered that rom the 1891 Census ........... they did have older children, but a 3 month old baby would still be breast fed, and Eleanor Emily is the only one of age living at home at that time!


Kerryn needs to get the birth certificate.

I looked on familysearch (the Mormon site), and couldn't see anyhting on there for Beatrice.




sylvia

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Eleanor Emily Deakin
Name: Eleanor Emily Deakin to Samuel Richards
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Tenbury
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 395

I wonder if Beatrice is Eleanor's daughter born out of wedlock


1901 England Census
about Beatrice Y Deeken
Name: Beatrice Y Deeken
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Fenbury, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 242
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Rickards 31
Eleanor E Rickards 27
Edith G Rickards 3
Maurice Rickards 2
Beatrice Y Deeken 10

To order certificates, go on the web ot that address

Click on Ordering Certificates

Follow instructions


You will be asked if you ahve the GRO reference Number. Answer YES ..... ti is the set of 2 numbers that comes after Tenbury


You pay by credit card




sylvia

Yes I will do that thanks so much for all your help.

To buy the birth certificate do we need any special numbers to quote? Do y ou know how we pay from Australia?

Philip Deakin 51 b.ca 1840, Hereford, Herefordshire, Ag Lab
Hannah Deakin 42 b.ca 1849, Puddleston, Herefordshire
Eleanor Emily Deakin 17 b.ca 1874, Bockleton, Serefordshire, Domestic Servant
Philip G Deakin 15
William Deakin 14
Annie Jane Deakin 12
John Henry Deakin 9
Thomas Deakin 8
Gertrude Alice Deakin 2 Daughter
Beatrice Violet Deakin 3/12 Granddaughter




She is the GRANDDAUGHTER of Philip and Hannah. All the other children are children of Philip and Hannah, ie Beatrice's aunts and uncles

The parents do have older children not living at home (I checked the 1871 census, but cannot find them in 1881)


Beatrice could be the daughter of an unmarried daughter, possibly even Eleanor Emily


You should buy her birth certificate




sylvia

I am not sure what they mean in the 1891 census entry. It says granddaughter - does this mean Phillip and Hannah are her grandparents? or is this list a list of her current family eg siblings and parents?
Sorry for being a bit thick!

Kerryn, you can purchase that marriage certificate from Victorian BDM and download it immediately. It should give you Beatrice's age and parents' details

Digger - Marriage Index. Victoria 1921-1942


Query
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Family Name : sim* (2630 matches)
Given Name : james (33573 matches)
Spouse Given Name : beatrice (4115 matches)

Total matching records: 1
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Family Name: SIM
Given Name: Jas
Spouse Family Name: ARMSTRONG
Spouse Given Name: Beatrice Violet
Registration Year: 1927
Registration Number: 1563
Re-registration Year:
Event Year:
Registration Type:
Event: M

1891 Census

Name: Beatrice Violet Deakin
Age: 3/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Tenbury, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Burford
Ecclesiastical parish: Burford
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Tenbury
Sub registration district: Tenbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Deakin 51
Hannah Deakin 42
Eleanor Emily Deakin 17
Philip G Deakin 15
William Deakin 14
Annie Jane Deakin 12
John Henry Deakin 9
Thomas Deakin 8
Gertrude Alice Deakin 2
Beatrice Violet Deakin 3/12


To find her parents you should buy that birth certificate from www.gro.gov.uk. It will cost £7



sylvia

from the free site www.freebmd.org.uk


children father Armstrong, mother Deakin


Births Mar 1914 (>99%)

ARMSTRONG Maurice Deakin Chorlton 8c 1514


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Births Mar 1919 (>99%)

Armstrong Leslie Deakin Bucklow 8a 208


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Births Sep 1921 (>99%)


Armstrong Ernest A Deakin Bucklow 8a 317


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Births Sep 1925 (99%)


Armstrong James Deakin Bucklow 8a 284






Looks as though she might have married James Sims in Australia!




sylvia

Thanks so much for the information so far. I am pretty sure this is my grandmother. Is there anyway to find out if she had any siblings, or her parents names etc

Kerryn

SIM JAMES : Service Number - 143270 : Date of birth - 09 Jun 1925 : Place of birth - MANCHESTER ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - WILLIAMS BEATRICE

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936
about Beatrice Violet Sim
Name: Beatrice Violet Sim
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1931
State: Victoria
District: Corio
Subdistrict: Geelong West
Address: 110 Autumn Street
Also James Sim, caretaker

This could be her birth registration ....... it si the only Beatrice Violet shown, but she could have been registered as Beatrice, and then the Violet added later at baptism. The biorth registration and certificate would not be changed to represent this


Tenbury registration district straddles the borders of 3 counties ............... Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire



Births Mar 1891 (>99%)

Deakin Beatrice Violet Tenbury 6c 272





sylvia

Found these people on 'findmypast', travelling from Liverpool to Melbourne Australia in 1926, but do not have credits to view the passenger list..

ARMSTRONG.....
Ernest b. 1921
Maurice b. 1914
Leslie b. 1919
Beatrice b. 1892
Also James b. 1925

Could they be your family ? ? ?

The first marriage:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Beatrice V Deakin
Name: Beatrice V Deakin
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Armstrong (Ernest)
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 1963

Death registration for reference:

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985


Query
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Surname : williams (8653 matches)
Given Names : beatrice v* (205 matches)

Total matching records: 3
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Surname: WILLIAMS
Given Names: Beatrice Violet
Father: Unknown
Mother: UNKNOWN
Death Place: BELM
Age: 83
Age Code:
Year: 1972
Reg Number: 16647
Event: D

I would be grateful if anyone can find me some information on my grandmother Beatrice Violet Deakin. eg where she was born, parents names, siblings, marriage information emigration information and anything else that may be relevant.

What I know so far
- Born in England (written on my dads birth certificate)
- Maiden name Deakin born around 1890,s
- 1st marriage Ernest Armstrong which she had 3 boys Ernest, Maurice and Lesley
- 2nd marriage James Sim born Newcastle Upon Tyne 1879. - James married first wife Eleanor Bates in 1899 and she died in 1913 .
- Sometime after 1913 and before 1927 he married my grandmother Beatrice.
- James and Beatrice had son James approx 1926 (although called George on my dads birth certificate)
- James, Beatrice and 4 boys emigrated to Australia. I would say they immigrated somewhere in the mid 1920's but not sure.
- They then had my dad in Australia - Thomas in 1929.
- James died in 1941 in Geelong Victoria Australia
- After James died she married ????? Williams
- Beatrice died in 1972 in Geelong Victoria Australia

I would appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks heaps
Kerryn