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If the ages of Betty and Isabel are about the same re the census I think that they are both the same person. I don't know about in the UK but here Elizabeth is known as Isabel and Elizabeth is known in England as Betty.

Sorry if this isn't very clear.

Wendy

1. JOHN SHUTTLEWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUL 1810 Church, Lancashire, England

2. ELIZABETH SHUTTLEWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 JUN 1791 Church, Lancashire, England

3. RICHD SHUTTLEWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JAN 1798 Church, Lancashire, England

4. JAS. SHUTTLEWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 JAN 1794 Church, Lancashire, England

5. THOS. SHUTTLEWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JUL 1785 Church, Lancashire, England

6. ROBT. SHUTTELWORTH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 JAN 1789 Church, Lancashire, England

Other children of Robert Shuttleworth and Alice.

And do you know about naming patterns. Look it up on the web.

Thats why we get all their children calling their children the same names which confuses us all!!!!!!!

Thanks everyone .Mel so is the Robert shuttleworth m to alice the brother of my richard sorry to sound thick but it sometimes takes a bit to sink in. What is the site you can look at about names . I have noticed it msany times especially if one has died and then they name the next one after him

o.k.guys got it robert and alice are his parents Doh

I agree with Wendy. In Scotland Isabel is interchangeable with Elizabeth and Betty is a pet form of Elizabeth. I know Lancs is nowhere near Scotland but maybe something like that happened.

thanks everyone for your help much appreciated . i am now going to officially add them to my tree Susan

What is todays project then ..........................to see if we can get back further with Isabel 1798????????

Mel

Here is a piece about the naming patterns I was talking about.




From the begining of the 18th Century to the end of the 19th Century, the naming convention for children
born to English-speaking families often followed a basic pattern.
Although the naming convention does not always follow this order, many children'as given names
originated from their ancestors. For example - the first son was usually named after the father's father.
Below is the commonly accepted pattern:


The first son was named after the father's father.

Second son was named after the mother's father.

Third son was named after the father.

Fourth son was named after the father's oldest brother.

Fifth son was named after the father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother.

First daughter was named after the mother's mother.

Second daughter was named after the father's mother.

Third daughter was named after the mother.

Fourth daughter was named after the mother's oldest sister.

Fifth daughter is named after the mother's 2nd oldest sister or the father's oldest sister.

Hi Mel i would love to get further back with Isabel . I found her with father Thomas and mother Isabel on the IGII have replied to your previous messges ,Just got in Shopping

All children of Thomas and Isabel Riley

1. MOLLY RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 JAN 1794 Church, Lancashire, England

2. HENRY RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAY 1790 Church, Lancashire, England

3. JNO. RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 DEC 1805 Church, Lancashire, England

4. ISABEL RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 FEB 1798 Church, Lancashire, England

5. ANN RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female

Birth: 21 OCT 1808
Christening: 27 NOV 1808 Church, Lancashire, England
Death: 16 APR 1809


6. ELLEN RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 23 FEB 1810
Christening: 11 MAR 1810 Church, Lancashire, England

7. JAMES RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 APR 1792 Church, Lancashire, England

8. ROBT. RILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 DEC 1800 Church, Lancashire, England

Poss marriage

Thomas Riley Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth: 1768 Of, Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial: 22 JAN 1810
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Parents:
Father: Henry Riley Family
Mother: Mary
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Marriages:
Spouse: Isabel Hacking Family
Marriage: 27 AUG 1789
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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.

THOMAS RYLEY Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1768 Church, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: HENRY RYLEY Family
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.
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THINK THE MOTHER IS MARY RISHTON

Yep

HENRY RILEY Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY RISHTON Family
Marriage: 09 AUG 1755 Church, Lancashire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

One of their children poss but it is a submitted record

Mary Riley Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 MAY 1756 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Henry Riley Family
Mother: Mary Rishton
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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.
Another child submitted
John Riley - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 FEB 1762 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England


Have to get the dinner now so will look again tomorrow.