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Help needed with Hambleton marriage please

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Helen

Helen Report 16 Feb 2009 08:35

Hi, I have the following birth - Daisy Matilda Hambleton, born 17/04/1896 18 Major (?) Road, Stratford, London. Parents Samuel Hambleton (Builder's labourer) and Esther Hambleton formerly something, very hard to read, might be Ludsell (last bit almost certainly ...'sell'). I cannot locate any marriage for the parents on free BMD so any help on this or census info would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks.

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 16 Feb 2009 08:41

1901 CENSUS

Address 14 Marcus St
Civil Parish Westham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish All Saints
Parliamentary Borough or Division South Westham
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Westham
Administrative County Westham
Householder 1
Name Albert Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Labourer General
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Startford
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Daisy Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Stratford
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Esther Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 39
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Charwoman
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Ongar
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Ethel M Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Domestic General Servant
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Startford
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Florence Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Leytonstons
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Samuel Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Bricklayer
Employment Status
Where Born London Hackney
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Samuel G Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Leytonstons
Language
Infirmity
Householder 8
Name William Hambleton
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Leytonstons
Language
Infirmity

Helen

Helen Report 16 Feb 2009 08:45

Thank you very much, that certainly looks like them and I see that Esther is from Ongar so maybe this will help with identifying her.

Helen

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 16 Feb 2009 09:29

1891 England Census
Name: Samuel Hambleton
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Leytonstone St Margaret
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 1 Cecil Rd

Occupation: bricklayer's labourer

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hambleton 25
Esther Hambleton 28
Ethel Hambleton 7
Samuel Hambleton 3

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 16 Feb 2009 09:34

1871 England Census
Name: Esther Lindsell
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Emina
Gender: Female
Where born: High Ongar, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Stratford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 376
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Lindsell 42 - labourer; St, Essex [That's what's on image too. Or it could be Lt]
Emina Lindsell 38 - Stratford, Essex [I think this could be Emma]
Elizabeth Jane Lindsell 14 - High Ongar, Essex
Esther Lindsell 11
Annie Lindsell 8 - Theyden, Essex
Rosetta Lindsell 4 - Betley, Kent
William Lindsell 11 months - Stratford, Essex

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 16 Feb 2009 09:40

Marriages Jun 1880
Eden Maria Harriett J Bethnal Green 1c 349
Eden Maria Henrietta J Bethnal Green 1c 349
>>>>>Lindsell Esther Bethnal Green 1c 349
>>>>>SHADRACK James Robert Bethnal Green 1c 349
WILLIAMS Frederick John Bethnal Green 1c 349


1881 England Census
Name: Esther Shadrach
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Ongar, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Bridleway 62
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Shadrach 26 - shoemaker
Esther Shadrach 21
Robert Shadrach - 7 months

Helen

Helen Report 17 Feb 2009 08:36

Thank you for all that extra info! Can we presume that Esther had married Mr Shadrack and may have then married or lived with Mr Hambleton? I can't find the Lindsell/Shadrack marriage on Free BMD or a subsequent Shadrack/Hambleton marriage, have you seen anything for the 'second' marriage?

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 11:48

I searched for Hambleton/Shadrack variations as well with no luck.

I tried to find a James Shadrack death, no luck. Maybe that tells the story.

Ozi.

Helen

Helen Report 17 Feb 2009 15:51

Thanks very much for looking, all rather suspicious...!

Helen

Helen Report 17 Feb 2009 15:58

Sorry, I meant to ask whether you had places of birth for the Lindsell family please?

Thank you so much for your help with this one!

Helen

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:17

I've added places of birth to 1871 post.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:27

Esther has been wrongly identified with the following household. On image she's a Lindsell.

1861 England Census
Name: Henry Lindsell
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: High Ongar, Essex, England
Civil Parish: High Ongar
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Roadside

Occupation: agr labr

Registration district: Ongar
Sub registration district: Bobbingworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Lindsell 22
Emma Lindsell 21 - Shalford
Elizabeth Lindsell 4
Ester Brand 1

Others born High Ongar.

In 1871 son William's pob looks like Shalford.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:30

Marriages Dec 1854
Lindsell Henry Braintree 4a 613
Willis Emma Braintree 4a 613

Registration district for Shalford.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:36

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Lindsell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: High St

Occupation:

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lindsell 46 - ag lab; Wendon
Martha Lindsell 44
James Lindsell 20 - ag lab
Joseph Lindsell 18
George Lindsell 16
Henry Lindsell 12
Mary Ann Lindsell 8
John Lindsell 5
William Lindsell 3
George Harvey 81 - father; widowed; pauper

All except James snr born Newport.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:38

1841 England Census
Name: Henry Lindsell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Newport
Hundred: Uttlesford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: High Street

Occupation:

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub registration district: Newport
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lindsell 35 - ag lab
Martha Lindsell 30
James Lindsell 11
Joseph Lindsell 8
George Lindsell 6
Henry Lindsell 2
George Harvey 70 - ag lab

???
Deaths Mar 1880
Lindsell Henry _1 W. Ham 4a 20

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Feb 2009 21:42

Check address against Esther in 1881.

1881 England Census
Name: Emma Lindsell
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Shaldford, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Bridleway 21
Condition as to marriage: widowed

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Lindsell 48
Rose Lindsell 14
Willie Lindsell 10
Arthur Lindsell 8
Horace Lindsell 5

Helen

Helen Report 18 Feb 2009 09:09

That's brilliant, thank you so much for all of that, you have been very busy!!!!

Helen